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Antonis έγραψε: Den einai poker auto[/quote:19mg2g27] ΓΙα τα τουρνουά και ιδιως σε αυτό το σταδιο το πλεον ενδεδειγμένο Στα cash δεν μπορείς να το κάνεις εύκολα και ούτε θες να το κάνεις .[/quote:19mg2g27] Re Antoni, sxedon oti symboulh exeis dwsei mexri twra einai lathos. Sta cash game einai pou paizeis pio oriaka xeria. An xaseis to stack sou kaneis reload kai synexizeis. Sto tournoua an xaseis h meiwseis shmantika to stack sou tote les antio.

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Nomizw einai ena kalo paradeigma pou deixnei poso shmantiko einai otan kaneis mia kinhsh na exeis sxedio gia th synexeia ths partidas. Elpizw na to katferoume - toulaxisto egw- sto kontino mellon Mexri tote: Otan kaneis cold call to raise tou UTG kai 1 limper ti sxedio exeis. Nomizw oti tha prepe na kaneis raise ekei. Meta einai dyskolo na paikseis to xeri sou. O SB kanei raise alla einai $100 buy-in kai ypothetw (mporei na knaw lathos edw) oti s'ayta ta paixnidia tha yparxoun arketoi isxyroi paiktes pou morei na kanoun tetoio raise me megalo hand (AA/KK/AKs) alla kai kapoies fores squeeze play me metrio xeri meta apo ena raiser kai 2 limpers. Kaneis loipon kai deytero cold call preflop alla poio einai to sxedio sto flop. Pas mono gia set? Tote to call htan lathos giati den eixes ta odds. Exeis stoxo na xtyphseis kathe flop xwris A giati pisteveis oti to range tou einai pio megalo apo AA/KK/AKs? Den exw kanei ta maths analytika alla nomizw oti thes peripou 40% gia to all-in. Poly dyskolh apofash. (Plhroforiaka enantion AA/KK/AKs eisai molis 25%) An eisai o holdemgr bebaia tha sou skasei to Q sto river:)

Teleutaia fora pou asxoloumai mazi sou. Nomiza oti eixes diathesh na matheis alla exeis mono diathesh na eisai to paidaki sto sxoleio pou koroidevei ta alla paidakia. Telos pantwn. To 358 rainbow flop einai diaforetiko apo to flop pou ekana egw bet pot opws kai einai diaforetika ta stacks twn paiktwn. Epomenws h sykrish sou einai gia -allh mia fora - astoxh. Epishs me to na epimeneis oti sto turn me to 99 hmoun 5% fanerwneis oti eisai anepidektos mathisews kai apla results oriented kai malista results pou ebgala ap'to myalo mou (de mou edeikse pote to fyllo tou) Pes antio sto bankroll sou

H "analysh" sou den exei kai poly sxesh me to xeri pou epaiksa. Se reraised pots to AJ den einai nuts kai prepei na einai kaneis prosektikos To mono pou kerdizoume einai mia bloffa h spania AT h kapoio Axs De nomizw oti polloi paiktes mlpofaroun edw (sto turn) giati den mporei na pistevei oti mporei na me kanei na paw passo me opoiodhpote asso. Epishs exw barethei na sakouw oti eixa 5% me to 99. Sou eipa oti an eisai results oriented tha meineis adekaros kai de to lew me kakia h otidhpote. H alhteia einai o typos (ap'to 99) de mou eipe pote ti eixe. Ton rwthsa 888? alla den apanthse

Prosekse giati an sto poker krineis to paiksimo sou me bash (statistika ashmanto arithmo apo) apotelesmata tote tha meineis grhgora adekaros.

Mia xara to epaikses. An de xaseis ola ta chips sou s'ayto to hand me QQ vs AA shmainei oti to epaikses lathos (ektos ki an exeis auto to software pou blepei ta fylla tou allou :whistle: )

To problhma einai oti to river den allazei tipota. Kapoios kalos paikths opws kai enas calling station den prokeitai na kanei fold otidhpote "made hand" exei kanei call sto flop kai sto turn. O monos paikths pou mporei na piaseis me to all-in einai kapoios loose kai weak pou mporei na sou kanei call me J klp kai na fobhthei ena megalo bet sto river Genika loipon nomizw oti an den eisai poly sigouros ti eidous paikth exeis apenanti sou to all-in den prokeitai na doulepsei arketa syxna. Tis pio polles fores tha kanei call kapoio kalytero xeri h tha kanei fold kapoio xeirotero (draw pou den egine klp) An omws exeis kalo "read" (edw bohthaei poly to Pokertracker) oti einai weak kai kanei call sto flop/turn me asthenes fyllo alla paei paso sto river tote to paiksimo sou einai to pio epikerdes enantion tou.

Eksartatai poly apo ton antipalo. Genika kanw ena bet sto turn me skopo na dw showdown xwris na plhrwsw parapanw. An einai o typos pou den kanei pote fold oute ki an tou baleis to pistoli ston krotafo, tote mallon to ksexnaw (check)

Se 6-handed trapezi epiballetai na kaneis raise me 99 apo ta blinds enantion 2 limpers. Diaforetika meta to flop paizeis to 99 sou mono gia na kaneis set, eisai ektos theshs kai enantia se paiktes pou mporei na exoun otidhpote kai mallon de tha se plhrwsoun an kaneis to set.

Mprabo re paidia poly kalh syzhtsh. Molis twra gyrisa kai eida ta post. Tha ta diabasw pio analytika kathws einai arketa kai endiaferonta. To paiksimo tou antipalou prokalei anatrixila. Kanei 2 fores cold call preflop kai meta kanei aplo call otan pontarw full pot sto flop ektos theshs. Nomizw oti einai apo tis pio dyskoles periptwseis sto nolimit na eisai ektos theshs me kalo fyllo kai antipalo na paizei m'ayto ton tropo. Apenanti se isxyro antipalo eimai sxedon sigouros oti exei set alla o sygkekrimenos eipame oti einai metrios kai mporei na exei isws kai kapoio draw h slowplayed AA/KK (pou fysika mas pataei, apla shmeiwnw oti einai sto range tou) Sto turn kanw check me prothesh na kanw fold se megalo bet. Na shmeiwsw oti kanw check kai me poly dyanto fyllo kapoies fores (oxi oles) me prothesh na paw all-in Otan kanei bet miso pot me zwnoun ta fidia kai opws eimai etoimos na pathsw to fold me pianei to ellhniko "de g..tai" kai paw all-in (to call den exei ennoia edw) H synexeia: O antipalos kanei akariao call. To river peftei :9s Argotera eipe oti eixe 888 Thanathforo river apo th Ladbrokes Sobara omws nomizw oti an kai lathos htan oriako lathos me bash ta lefta pou htan hdh sto pot kai ta stacks. Xreiazomaste 137/461= 30% equity gia to all-in kai de mporw na apokleisw gia to sykekrimeno paikth na exei 2 karo (einai arketa xalaros preflop) h 87/A8 klp

Mprabo re paidia poly kalh syzhtsh. Molis twra gyrisa kai eida ta post. Tha ta diabasw pio analytika kathws einai arketa kai endiaferonta. To paiksimo tou antipalou prokalei anatrixila. Kanei 2 fores cold call preflop kai meta kanei aplo call otan pontarw full pot sto flop ektos theshs. Nomizw oti einai apo tis pio dyskoles periptwseis sto nolimit na eisai ektos theshs me kalo fyllo kai antipalo na paizei m'ayto ton tropo. Apenanti se isxyro antipalo eimai sxedon sigouros oti exei set alla o sygkekrimenos eipame oti einai metrios kai mporei na exei isws kai kapoio draw h slowplayed AA/KK (pou fysika mas pataei, apla shmeiwnw oti einai sto range tou) Sto turn kanw check me prothesh na kanw fold se megalo bet. Na shmeiwsw oti kanw check kai me poly dyanto fyllo kapoies fores (oxi oles) me prothesh na paw all-in Otan kanei bet miso pot me zwnoun ta fidia kai opws eimai etoimos na pathsw to fold me pianei to ellhniko "de g..tai" kai paw all-in (to call den exei ennoia edw) H synexeia: O antipalos kanei akariao call. To river peftei :9s Argotera eipe oti eixe 888 Thanathforo river apo th Ladbrokes Sobara omws nomizw oti an kai lathos htan oriako lathos me bash ta lefta pou htan hdh sto pot kai ta stacks. Xreiazomaste 137/461= 30% equity gia to all-in kai de mporw na apokleisw gia to sykekrimeno paikth na exei 2 karo (einai arketa xalaros preflop) h 87/A8 klp

O antipalos einai metrios paikths. Oute poly sfiktos oute poly xalaros - oute poly epithetikos, oute poly pathitikos. ** Descartes [Hold 'em] (1.00|2.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money - kixs sitting in seat 1 with $414.78 - beakyp sitting in seat 2 with $310.30 - _braddel_ sitting in seat 3 with $141.50 - Loly sitting in seat 4 with $369.11 - Rockerottem sitting in seat 5 with $105.40 [Dealer] - holdemgr sitting in seat 6 with $218.50 holdemgr posted the small blind - $1.00 kixs posted the big blind - $2.00 ** Dealing card to holdemgr: :9c :9d beakyp folded _braddel_ raised - $4.00 Loly called - $4.00 Rockerottem folded holdemgr raised - $20.00 kixs folded _braddel_ called - $20.00 Loly called - $20.00 ** Dealing the flop: :4d :8d :5c holdemgr bet - $62.00 _braddel_ folded Loly called - $62.00 ** Dealing the turn: :Qc holdemgr checked Loly bet - $93.00 Ti kanoume twra loipon? Mas exoun meinei $137.5 kai to pot meta to bet einai $ 279

Opws eipa thewrw oti einai kalos paikths kai ara einai apithano na paizei A8s preflop kai postflop m'auton ton tropo. Sigoura omws yparxei h pithanotha na toy dinw perissoterh aksia ap'osh prepei alla s'auto to shmeio tou paixnidiou kai me bash tis ateleis plhrofories pou exw energw analoga An argotera exw kalyteres plhrofories kai pistevw oti mporei na paiksei Ace rag m'ayton ton tropo tote anaprosarmozw to paixnidi mou.

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Atyxia. O PierunPol epaikse to hand tou san donkey. Krima pou den tou phres to stack tou.

holdemgr έγραψε: Symfwnw me to skeptiko alla oxi me thn ektelesh. Ara an kaneis raise tote tha ton boithiseis na paiksei swsta. Tha kanei fold me ola ta xeria pou kerdizoume JJ/Qx/mlpofes kai mallon KK/KQ enw tha synexisei me ta xeria pou mas kerdizoun kai MALISTA se ena megalo pot pou tha xoume ftiaksei me to raise mas. Oi ksenoi to lene "way ahead-way behind" (dhl eite eisai ploy mprosta h poly pisw). To oti exoume thesh einai pleonekthma alla to basiko melhma einai na krathsoume to pot mikro. To "raise gia plhroforia" einai ena lathos pou kanoun syxna oi arxarioi paiktes. H plhroforia pou tha parw me to raise de tha einai kai toso akribhs kai tha mou exei kostisei poly akriba (afou tha bohthisw ton antipalo na paiksei swsta) Nomizw oti hdh exw arketes plhrofories: To preflop reraise tou einai dynato fyllo kai kammia fora mplofa alla spania Assos me tipota. Kanei bet miso pot sto AQx flop kai kanw call enw mou exei kanei reraise preflop. Ara deixnw arketh dynamh. Kai meta erxetai kai kanei pot bet sto turn opou ousiastika me bazei all-in (an kanw call tha meinw me elaxista chips kai anagkastika tha kanw call opoiodhpote river). Fysika kai den eimai apolyta sigouros gia to fold alla nomizw sto poker de xreiazetai na eisai 100% sigouros kai oute kai pote mporeis.

Profanws se pot limit den mporeis na pas all-in Epishs an prosekses, eipa oti mporeis na paikseis to flop me pollous tropous (an ypothesoume oti einai no-limit) kai meta edwsa ta pleonekthmata tou all-in, alla de shmainei oti tha kaneis 100% fores all-in. To paiksimo pou perigrafw einai poly basiko alla fysika mporei na kostisei para poly an de to efarmoseis swsta. Proteinw na diabaseis to biblio tou Ciaffonne opou to analyei arketa.

To flop raise einai h xeiroterh kinhsh (me diafora) pou mporeis na kaneis kathws ton bohtas na paiksei swsta. Na prosthesw oti prin to flop knotarizomastan poly gera kai to 3-bet tou polles fores einai tipota (px eixe kanei 3-bet me 75o) diaforetika to AJ tha to eixa petaksei. Den einai omws kakos paikths kai otan to pot ginetai megalo kai einai ektos theshs den prokeitai na kanei polles fores kapoia kinhsh (kata th gnwmh mou toylaxisto) An kanw call sto turn ousiastika paizw olo to stack mou kai h pithanothta na eimai apenanti se AK/AQ/QQ klp einai poly pio megalh ap'oti se 75

O antipalos einai arketa epithetikos opws tha eprepe se ena heads up paixnidi. Poly pio epithetikos prin to flop para meta to flop. ** Caspian [Hold 'em] (1.00|2.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money - Bj__aP sitting in seat 1 with $1041.67 - holdemgr sitting in seat 2 with $346.33 [Dealer] holdemgr posted the small blind - $1.00 Bj__aP posted the big blind - $2.00 ** Dealing card to holdemgr: :Ad :Jd holdemgr raised - $10.00 Bj__aP raised - $37.00 holdemgr called - $37.00 ** Dealing the flop: :As :3c :Qh Bj__aP bet - $40.00 holdemgr called - $40.00 ** Dealing the turn: :2h Bj__aP bet - $154.00 Pontarei miso pot sto flop kai pot sto turn. Ti kanoume twra?

Ola ta chips mphkan sto flop opou o Vergitsis htan peripou 90% favorite: Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 990 games 0.031 secs 31,935 games/sec Board: 6c 8d 3h Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 88.384% 88.38% 00.00% 875 0.00 { QdQh } Hand 1: 11.616% 11.62% 00.00% 115 0.00 { 9h9s } To na kaneis fold sto flop einai terastio lathos eidika me to sygkekrimeno antipalo. Sigoura kapoies fores tha deis AA/KK kai kapoio 88, an kai synthtws auta ta kanoun slowplay, alla sthn pleiopshfia twn periptwsewn tha eisai poly mprosta kai eidika giati to flop einai tetoio pou o antipalos sou perimenei na mh se exei xtyphsei kai epomenws tha kanei polles fores prospatheia na to klepsei. O antipalos epaikse poly swsta s'ayto to paixnidi alla kai htan eksairetika tyxeros.

Yparxoun polloi tropoi na paikseis sto flop. Genika exartatai apo pollous paragontes kai synhtws tha paikseis oles tis epiloges kata ena pososto. px X% call, Y% raise, Z% all-in Ta pleonekthmata tou all-in: 1. Exeis ena arketa kalo draw sto flop apenanti se AQ exeis 40% sto flop sto turn to draw sou ginetai pio asthenes: px an pesei :2s tote eisai 23% kai an pesei karo p.x :2d tote eisai 38% (pali ligotero apoti sto flop) 2. Poly shmantikos logos. An o antipalos sou dei to xeri sou, eidika kapoios pou einai asxetos apo maths, tha nomizei oti eisai kapoios maniakos tzogadoros pou bazei ta resta tou xwris na exei tipota. H alhtheia omws einai diaforetikh. Exeis 40% me lefta hdh sto pot. Gia paradeigma an eixes KQ ki autos AQ tote tha eixes mono 14% (!!) pithanothes. Alla akoma pio shmantiko: den kserei oti to KJ einai to xeirotero fyllo poy pas all-in. Giati pas all-in me QQ/TT kai AA/66 kai to KQs isorropei to range sou. Akoma ki an o idios exei AA tha prepei na paei passo otan tou kaneis raise all-in me tetio range (akoma ki an kapoies fores mporeis na exeis KJ) To geniko symperasma einai oti mporeis na paizeis ena kalo draw me ton idio akribws tropo pou tha epaizes ena poly isxyro fyllo (p.x. set) wste na einai poly dyskolo gia ton antipalo sou na se diabasei kai na paiksei swsta enantion sou. Epishs molis proseksa oti to raise sou preflop htan poly mikro pou einai synhthws lathos.

Antonis έγραψε: Wraio paiksimo preflop kai post flop An ta stacks den einai poly megala kai kanw semibluff sto flop synhthws paw all-in. M'ayton ton tropo plhrwnomai otan exw QQ/TT/AA. To raise sou einai ki auto kalo afou exeis position alla an kanei call tote den einai eykolo na paikseis sto turn kai to straight draw sou exei xasei sxedon to miso tou equity.

Automato fold eisai ektos theshs kai den exeis tipote. To AJ einai dominated apo AK/AQ kai synhthws to petaw sto BB preflop apenanti se early raiser.