holdemgr

the300 έγραψε: Den kserw se ti paixnidia paizeis alla auto einai teleiws lathos paiksimo kai poly eykolo na se ekmetaleytei enas kalos antipalos an paizeis etsi preflop. An mou ekanes raise 5BB kai ikesra to range sou na einai AA/KK/QQ tote de tha eixes thn paramikrh elpida na kaneis kerdos. Fysika tha petousa AJ/AQ (lol) kai AK kai tha epaiza mono AA/KK kai arketes fores pocket pair / suited connectors me position kai deep stacks bebaia.

Mia xara to epaikses Themi. Sto turn tha ekana fold xwris reads Sto flop protimw na kanw raise alla kai aplo call einai OK me skopo na baleis olo to stack sto turn an den pesei Assos h xrwma

maclaren007 έγραψε: Mhpws einai kairos na stamathsoun auta ta post? Den mporei na bgainei o kathenas se kapoio forum kai na dysfhmei etaireies pou exoun ependysei ekatontades xiliades euro epeidh o dios den einai ikanos na kerdisei ena freeroll

Egw paizw gia na parw ta lefta tou allou. Giati na zhthsw sygnwmh an ta kataferw? Tha htan sa na ton koroidevw. Gi auto kai me eknevrizei poly otan kapoios mou pei "sorry" meta apo kapoio beat pou mou xarise. Synithws lew sorry otan parw kapoio megalo pot apo kapoio adynamo paikth gia na mh fygei apo to trapezi. Gia tous Ellhnes pou brizoun: Auto to blepoume syxna sto internet, oxi mono poker alla kai forum pantos eidous klp klp. Einai krima pou oi Ellhnes eksaitias mia meiopshfias komplexikwn, kseftilizomaste diethnws kai fainomaste deiloi (krybontai pisw apo thn anwnymia) kai sexoualika sterhmenoi.

baskont έγραψε: De nomizw. 25000 se 1.5 xrono einai ...lol Fysika an eisai losing player ta downswings katane gia panta. Alla mexri to NL$1/2 o kathenas pou den einai kathysterhmenos mporei me sobarh prospatheia na mathei na kerdizei auta ta paixnidia. Kai analoga me to poso paizei, $25000 den einai tipota to idiaitero.

Mporeite na deite to hand edw: *http://www.highstakesdb.com/forum/Topic113243-16-1.aspx Me ta lefta pou yparxoun hdh sto pot kai ta stacks twn paiktwn nomizw oti einai standard to call sto flop. Ta high stakes PLO paixnidia einai apisteyta agressive.

Antonis έγραψε: Dystyxws ki auto mou synebh. Ena brady, megalh kataigida eksw. Exw kanei top set me QQ kai kanw bet se Q62 rainbow flop. O antipalos paei all-in me terastia stacks kai oi dyo. Egw gelaw apo mesa mou. Bazw to mouse sto call. Kai tote akougetai to mpam kai skoteiniazoun ta panta. Poly -EV autoi oi keraynoi...

Eixa paiksei me dial-up xwris problhma se xristougenniatikes diakopes prin 2 xronia. Alla epaiza arga th nyxta. An den paizeis se kapoio site me baria grafika mallon de tha xeis kanena problima Ki an xaseis kai kana pot, skepsou posa tha xaseis an den paikseis katholou... Epishs mia aposyndesh mporei na einai ki eyprosdekth. Px exeis balei ena swro lefta sto pot me AA, alla sou xei meinei ena megalo stack, peftei to trito spathi sto river ki o donkey antipalos paei all-in.

ΜΙΚΕΚΚ έγραψε: Sigoura den einai eykolo na ksefygeis me AA me teteoia stack. To thema omws einai oti kanei ena entelws anohto bet sto turn. Einai value bet? Einai bluff bet? Apla einai hlithio Kai apntwntas sthn erwthsh sou. Den yparxei apanthsh. Einai kathara thema reads. Se teoies periptwseis synhthws to AA apla kerdizei mia mplofa opote eite exeis AA eite exeis ena aplo zeygari einai to idio. An nomizeis oti mplofarei arketa syxna tote patas call. An oxi to petas to dio eykola opws ki ena tapeino zeygari. px (1.00|2.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money - EEBLEPOGNEG sitting in seat 1 with $320.46 [Dealer] - holdemgr sitting in seat 2 with $326.59 EEBLEPOGNEG posted the small blind - $1.00 holdemgr posted the big blind - $2.00 ** Dealing card to holdemgr: :Qh :Qs EEBLEPOGNEG raised - $10.00 holdemgr raised - $35.00 EEBLEPOGNEG called - $35.00 ** Dealing the flop: :Td :Jc :7h holdemgr checked EEBLEPOGNEG checked ** Dealing the turn: :Ts holdemgr bet - $44.00 EEBLEPOGNEG called - $44.00 ** Dealing the river: :Jd holdemgr checked EEBLEPOGNEG went all-in - $242.46 holdemgr called - $242.46 EEBLEPOGNEG shows: King of Diamonds, 9 of Spades holdemgr shows: Queen of Hearts, Queen of Spades holdemgr wins $641.92 from the main pot End of game 772029208

Αυτό το θέμα αναφέρεται στο κείμενο: Γιατί δεν μπορώ να κερδίσω στο online πόκερ; Epeidh einai rigged obv

dimimil έγραψε: Kata th gnwmh mou to paiksimo sou toso prin to flop oso kai sto flop einai poly lathos kai deixnei megalo "leak" sto paixnidi sou pou prepei na to koitakseis. Xwris parekshghsh, etsi?

Ena xeri pou epaiksa shmera kai deixnei poso lathos mporei na einai kapoies fores ena megalo bet. [Hold 'em] (1.00|2.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money - Jay sitting in seat 1 with $256.70 [Dealer] - holdemgr sitting in seat 2 with $199.50 Jay posted the small blind - $1.00 holdemgr posted the big blind - $2.00 ** Dealing card to holdemgr: :Kh :4h Jay raised - $7.00 holdemgr called - $7.00 ** Dealing the flop: :4d :5h :4s holdemgr checked Jay bet - $14.00 holdemgr raised - $33.00 Jay called - $33.00 ** Dealing the turn: :6d holdemgr checked Jay went all-in - $217.70 holdemgr went all-in - $161.50 ** Dealing the river: :Jc holdemgr shows: :Kh :4h Jay shows: :As :Ad holdemgr wins $402.00 from the main pot End of game 798760504 Giati kapoios pontaei olo to stack tou me AA. Eite exw mplofa kai tha kanw eykolo fold, eite exw toulaxisto tria 4aria kai kanw call. Se kathe periptwsh to bet tou einai anohto. H monh periptwsh einai na exw 67 (ontws poly pithano sto range mou edw) alla kai pali den prokeitai na kanw call ena toso megalo bet. Kai pali, de shmainei oti o bosio tha prepe na kanei call sto siko tou xeri. Apla deixnei ti mporei na shmainei kapoies fores ena megalo bet.

haha thx genok gia thn prosklhsh. Bgainw eksw twra. Etsi ki alloiws sta tournoya eimai asxetos...

Ta bots einai o pragmatikos kindynos sto online poker. Polloi diamartyrontai oti ta sites einai rigged klp alla autes oi kathgories den einai sobares. Ta bots omws einai sobarh apeilh isws h pio sobarh. Hdh exeligmena bots einai anikhta se limit paixnidia 1 pros 1. Sto nolimit den exon ekselixthei toso poly (fysika kaneis den to gnwrizei auto) alla einai bebaio oti se liga xronia tha exoun kyriarxhsei kai ekei. Asfalws omws ta shmerina bots den exoun kanena problhma na kerdizoun sta mesaia h xamhla limits -eite einai fixed eite no limit. An fantsatei kaneis oti mporoun na paizoyn ateleiwtes wres xwris na kourazontai kai xwris na exoun "tilt" katalabainei to megethos ths apeilhs To senario ginetai pio tromaktiko an skeftei kaneis oti paiktes bots mporoun na moirazontai metaksy tous plhrofories me apotelesma na synergazontai metaksy tous se ena trapezi (collusion) apenanti se anypopsiastous paiktes. Den einai senario episthmonikhs fantasias. Einai kati pou ginetai. Mia matia se sxetika forums tha sas peisei Ti kanoun ta sites gia auto? Oxi polla kata th gnwmh mou. Nomizw oti h oikonmomikh epibarynsh einai poly megalh me apotelesma ta mikra site na mhn kanoun sxedon TIPOTA, enw ta megalytera site exoun bebaia isxyra epandrwmena tmhmata asfaleias alla einai texnika dyskolo an apotrepsoun ton kindyno 100% kathws oi katoxoi bots kathe fora skarfizontai ki enan kanourio tropo na ksefygoun

bosio έγραψε: Dyskolo na to paikseis xwris reads kai akoma pio dyskolo to ekanes esy me to mikro raise. De theorw megalo lathos to fold sou. Proswpika kanw call toso grhgora pou mporei na strampoylhksw kai to daxtylo mou O,ti kai na exei to exei paiksei san donkey ki ena donkey exei megalo range edw. Fobomaste mono 99 (3 dynatoi syndyasmoi) kai A2s (2 syndyasmoi) ante epeidh to theorume donkey bazw kai A2o (6). Apo thn allh mporei na exei 2 spathia, A9, 9x, kapoio pocket pair h kai tipota mia kai to raise mas fainetai adynamo kai enas donk den exei proseksei oti kaname post BB (ara mporei na exoume otidhpote) kai ara tha nomizei oti einai apithano na'xoume 2ari Kai ayto bebaia frenei thn parathrhsh. Giati kaneis post to BB (kinhsh -EV) kai den perimeneis na erthei h seira sou? Xairomai pou katebhkes levels kai paizeis twra me gero bankroll. Osoi pistevoun oti tha kanane call gia $30 alla oxi gia $300 klp tha prepei na mathoun basikh diaxeirhsh bankroll prin falhrhsoun (bazw kai mena mesa hehehe)

Antonis έγραψε: Me to 7d8d kanw all-in sto flop me thn taxythta tou fwtos A nai kai slowplay me AA den einai sxedon pote swsto. Synithws opoion blepw na to kanei syxna ginetai buddy listed automata.

Hey theomas Nomizw oti oloi ligo poly symfwnoume metaksy mas. To problhma einai sthn orologia H leksh "tzogos" einai arketa parekshghmenh kai san leksh kai san ennoia. Ki omws sthn pargmatikh zwh kathe epityxhmenos anthrwpos exei tzogarei ligo h poly. Gia auto kai to poker einai pio konta sthn pragmatikh zwh se sxesh px me to skaki (pou den pavei na einai ena yperoxo paixnidi/athlima) H diafora metaksy tou asxetou tzogadorou pou xanei to spiti tou me ton ikano paikth einai oti o deytreros empleketai se mia katastash pou kathorizetai apo thn tyxh alla perimenei na exei thetiko apotelesma. O prwtos apla elpizei na einai tyxeros. px otan blepis ena bet me gutshot epeidh sto pot exei $1200 kai sou kostizei $100 kaneis call giati exei thetiko apotelesma px 1 stis 11 tha pesei to fyllo pou thes kai tha pareis 1200 enw 10 fores stis 11 tha xaseis 100. Synolika loipon tha kersiseis 1200- 10X100 = 200 To ti tha pesei einai to stoixeio ths tyxhs. To an tha kaneis call h oxi einai to stoixeio ths texnikhs Epishs na prosthesw oti oloi oi top syggrafeis tou poker Sklansky,Mallmuth klp den exoun kanena problhma me ton oro "gambling" kai malista einai autos akribws o oros pou xrhsimopoioun.

O polys kosmos den mporei na ektimhsei ton paragonta tyxhs sto poker alla kai auto pou einai poly pio shmantiko de mporei na antilhfthei kai na katanohsei arketa thn ennoia tou tyxaiou. Gia paradeigma otan xasoume 5 fores synexomenes me AA tote arxizoume na kathgoroume to site klp klp enw einai kati entelws fysiologiko na symbei. Akoma ki an paradextoume omws oti einai fysiologiko synhthws polloi paiktes apodidoun tis apwleies tous se kakh tyxh/kakia stigmh klp pou nai men einai pithano na exoun dikaio alla einai epishs poly pithano oti epaiksan lathos to xeri tous (poly synithismeno fainomeno me AA). Ara sta 2 paradeigmata blepoume 1. kakh antilhpsh ths ennoias tou tyxaiou kai 2. kakh ektimhsh tou ti einai tyxaio kai ti einai "texnikh" sto poker Auta einai klassika elattwmata sthn pleiopshfia twn paiktwn tou poker kai -gia na epistrepsw sto thema- ekshgoun giati o polys kosmos blepei to nikhth enos WSOP san to pagkosmio prwtathlith enw den yparxei o paramikros logos na einai kati tetoio alhthino. Fysika to WSOP einai mia panisxyrh mhxanh marketing pou fernei "fishes" sta trapezia. Kai gi auto den exw to paramikro problhma

teri έγραψε:

GreekStar έγραψε: Nai ki egw to sxoliasa ap th genikh skopia oti den exei shmasia to poso % tou stack riskareis alla to EV ths kinhshs pou tha kaneis. Apo kei kai pera an nomizeis se kapoia idiaterh periptwsh oti mporeis na kaneis mia xamhloterou EV kinhsh giati perimeneis na epwfelhtheis pio poly apo kapoio allo outcome (an bgaleis kapoion eksw, ayksaneis to equity sou sto epathlo klp) tote einai akribws eidikh periptwsh kai mia kai den eimai eidhmwn twn tournoua den prokeitai na to psaksw ekei.

GreekStar έγραψε: To 5% den exei tosh sxesh. Opws eipe o nanasta bazei 800 gia na parei 1800 ara to breakeven point einai 800/(1800+800)= 30% Twra an to 30% einai arketo gia na kaneis call einai allo thema. (Genika tha elega oti einai yperarketo sthn prokeimenh periptwsh)

Vatal έγραψε: Safws. To call den exei nohma. Oloi oi ypologismoi mou an prosekses einai me bash oti mpainoume ALL-IN (kai oi dyo).

venily έγραψε: H logikh tou call einai oti theloume 45% equity gia ALL-IN: 900/2000=45% An to range tou einai set/straight/2-pair Kanw pokerstove (nai ligo klepsimo) Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 52,470 games 0.005 secs 10,494,000 games/sec Board: 4d 5h 7c Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 45.716% 44.62% 01.09% 23413 574.00 { 4h4s } Hand 1: 54.284% 53.19% 01.09% 27909 574.00 { 77, 55, 86s, 75s-74s, 63s, 54s, 86o, 75o-74o, 63o, 54o } Ara eimaste 46% apenanti sto range tou, synepws call. Poly close omws sigoura.

venily έγραψε: Exeis dei ta stacks? Ta implied odds mas einai apeira. An einai fish tote exoume odds na tou paroume olo to stack me value bet post flop An einai dynatos paikths tote mporoume na mplofaroume me thn katallhlh syxnothta kai tha einai adynato na amynthei.

Kai merika akoma enw eimai sth douleia 5,6 Fold 7 Call - poly close alla sto range tou exei arketa 2 pair hands opote eimaste konta sto equity gia call. Kathara thema maths 8 Fold 9 call. AA/QQ ligotero pithana afou kanei swsta preflop raises, epeidh einai inexperienced mporei na xei AT (h kai QT) kai apenanti se straight exoume 4 outs kai mpolika lefta sto pot. Ki edw thema maths opote mporei na kanw kai lathos.