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safesteps έγραψε: Δηλαδή Νίκο το button κάνει open fold εκεί 99/88 ή ακόμα και 33?! Με λιγότερα από 9BB?!!? Αν εξαιρέσουμε το σενάριο που ανέφερες περί tricky play του button και απλά θεωρήσουμε οτί είναι σαν να έκανε ΑΙ μάλλον ένα ποιο λογικό range είναι κάτι σαν: any pair/any ace σχεδον any king/και μερικά φύλλα ακόμα. Μάλλον τα νούμερα αλλάζουν δραματικά. Και ναι αφού κάνουμε εμείς το call θα πετάξει (και θα είναι σωστό) πολλά από αυτά τα φύλλα.

Ston titlo tou post sou vale sto telos ena ".gr". Kleise apo kei oti eisitirio thes kai exei epilogh na plirwseis me katathesh sthn trapeza thn epomenh mera.

Oxi apla den kserame ti egine telika giati opws eipa figame prin thn mera tou final table. Apla molis eida thn eidhsh kai epivevaiwthikan auta pou mas eixe pei o Giorgos to telefteo vradi eipa na postarw leptomereis mia pou eimastan ekei. Les na ithela na kalipsw auton pou mou efage 2 xiliarika lol?

Αυτό το θέμα ασχολείται με το άρθρο: Σε φιάσκο κατέληξε το Main Event του Croatia Summer Poker Festival! Loipon... twra pou vghke h eidhsh ston aera na pws kai egw pou eimouna mazi me ton Thodorh kai ton Dimitri ton Balla ekei ti akrivws synevei. Prwth mera paiksame ena 200+ tournament. O Dimitris eftrase sto final table kai meta apo deal phre 3000 euro. Deuterh mera paiksame ena 500ri freezeout. Vrethika egw sto final table alla distixws epeksa nwris ena 3plo AI preflop kratwntas QQ enantion AKo kai 89s kai apoxwrisa 8os me 700 euro. Trith mera htan to 1000ri freezeout. O Thodorhs mpike sto final table ws chipleader kai telika termatise prwtos gia 13500 euro. Mexri edw ola kala, oi plhrwmes ginontousan kanonika, no problem. Meta thn nikh tou o thodorhs ektos apo sigxaritiria apo diaforous ntopious pou eixame gnwrisei ekei dexthke kai erwthseis apo 3-4 atoma tou stil "ta phres ta lefta?" "plhrwthikes?" "dld einai sthn tseph sou ta lefta kanonika?" oi opoies mas evalan se ipopsies. Thn epomenh mera sto faghto o G. Tsonoulis afou tou eipame gia tis perierges autes erwtiseis mas eipe merika pragmata. Den eixe plhrwthei o idios gia polles meres enw htan ekei kai afou "apeilise" ton idiokthth oti an den ton plhrwsei tha figei kai den tha ginoun ta tournoua, autos tou edwse kapoio poso (nomizw ta misa apo osa eixan simfwnisei) Phge o Giorgos merikes wres prin to 2000euro main event na etoimasei thn aithousa tou tournoua sto ksenodoxeio kai thn vrike kleisth! otan rwthse sthn reception ti ginete tou eipan oti o idiokthths den exei plhrwsei gia thn aithousa kai den tha thn anoiksoun! Epikoinonise mazi tou thlefwnika kai tou eipe oti tha to kanonisei. Telika h aithousa anoikse kai arxisan oi egrafes. Emeis epifilaktikoi sthn arxh den eixame graftei enw paralila arxise na dimiourgite kai ena allo thema. To tournoua htan opws eipame 100.000 euro guaranteed kai poli diskola tha mazeuontousan 50 atoma... O Giorgos eipe oti den ksekinaei to tournoua an den kserei pio tha einai to prizepool. Meta apo 2 wres peripou telika eipe pws tha plhrwsei ta extra kanonika. Oi ypoloipoi oloi eixan graftei. Meta apo mia mini-siskepsi me ton Thodorh kai ton Dimitri apofasisame pws telika tha paiksoume. Mexri twra eixe plhrwsei kanonika sta toournoua. Oi aithousa eixe anoiksei ara eixe plhrwsei mallon (3k euro thn mera htan). Kai to pio shmantiko: O tipos autos exei casino/poker club sto Zagreb kai h plhopsifia twn paiktws htan croates. An exei skopo na parei ta lefta kai na figei sthn ousia prepei na kleisei to casino kai na eksafanistei. Toso atixoi pia na eimaste? Asteieftikame kai ligo oti an kanei kamia !%@%ia tha ton kanonisoun mia parea Rwsoi (fernan ligo se mafia) pou htan ekei kai paizan kai telika graftikame. Egw exasa nwris o Dimitris ligo argotera kai o Thodorhs 12os mia thesh prin to bubble. To final table htan thn epomenh mera kai eixame apofasisei pws an den einai kaneis mesa tha figoume thn allh mera. To vradi eimastan gia poto mazi me ton Giorgo o opoios kapoia stigmh mas eipe: "den sas eipa to kalitero! aurio 99% den tha ginei tipota o tipos mallon efige me ta lefta!" Emeis figame thn allh mera to prwi kai den mathame thn sinexeia (pou mallon thn kserame) h opoia epivevaiwthike distixws... Pali kala pou den kaname FT (poli bad beat na sou parei o allos ta lefta kai na thn kanei) kai pali kala pou prolavame kai "phrame" gyrw sta 17000 euro sinolika apo ta alla tournoua. Kata ta alla ti na pw, elpizw na ton piasoun. Cu at Barcelona.

Limp (to poli) preflop den exeis logo na paizeis tetoia xeria me to stack sou. Apo thn stigmh pou ekanes raise sigoura fold sto re-raise. An arthei A high tha paikseis ola ta lefta me anesh? An erthei T high? Apo thn stigmh pou ekanes call sto re-raise fold sto flop. Kai gia osous lene gia to "terastio" FE sto flop: Elikkrina pistevei kapoios oti tha petaksei AA/KK edw pote kaneis antipalos? To FE se auto to xeri einai poli konta sto MHDEN %.

psfsin έγραψε: Ok sorry nomisa oti postares thn patida gia na sou poume ta lathoi sou. Hint: allakse nootropia.

To call me to K5 einai auto kai swsto prepei na dei 16.5 gia 36k peripou (an to ante einai 500). To diko sou AI einai poli lathos dedomenoun oti eprepe na ksereis oti to BB den mporei na paei paso para mono ta polu asxhma fila tou (32/72 klp). Alla mallon den to ksereis. Thelw na mou eksigiseis to skeptiko sou gia ta xeria twn antipalwn sto prwto xeri. Pws mporei na les oti o enas exei AK kai o allos pair mikrotero apo to diko sou exontas san mono dedomeno ena AI apo kapoion me 11bb kai ena call apo idio stack. Ti to diaforetiko tha kanan an eisoun beat, eidika o deuteros?

psfsin έγραψε: ΄hmm kapoios kanei shove 11 bb apo utg+1 kai ena apo middle kanei call. Pou akrivws vasizontai ta "reads" sou oti o enas exei AK sigekrimena kai o allos mikrotero PP. Dld o prwtos me AQ h JJ den tha ekane AI? O deuteros me JJ+ den tha ekane call? H mhpws an eixe AA tha to katalavenes apo thn fatsa tou or sth? Auta den einai reads einai to best case scenario kai auto pou theleis esi na simbainei giati den theleis na perakseis ta dekaria sou opws prepei. Kai gia na apanthsw sthn arxikh sou erwthsh, einai lathos alla oxi poli.

hmm. Eimaste 9 se satellite pou oi 8 prwtoi pernoun ticket. Eimaste prwtoi me 22bb kai olo to ypoloipo trapezi exei 1bb or less.

Evales to 1/4 tou stack sou preflop me KK kai phres 2 call. Sto flop exeis stack=pot peripou. Oti kai na kaneis den mporei na einai lathos. Sthn sigekrimenh periptwsh pou flopares kai top set tha evaza kati tou stil ta misa sto flop kai ta misa meta wste na auksisw thn pithanothta na parw call telika gia ola mou ta lefta kai na kanw double up i na faw suckout.

Miso pot (to poli) kai abort mission an deiksei opoidipote endiaferon. Arketes fores kanw kai ksera check behind kai fold se auto to flop me auton ton antipalo.

Mallon nai efoson den kaneis raise to turn eisai ipoxreomenos na kaneis "tiflo" call ekei se ola sxedon ta river. Polles fores ekei tha sou anoiksei set h AA. btw to HH to eides na matheis tpt? den kserw an sou eipa alla to exw parei 2 fores auto to tournoua...

R.I.P.

To prwto xeri einai cooler (ektos an o antipalos einai o TJ Cloutier or sth). To deutero einai fisika call ta 5k akoma. Kai to trito einai tragiko lathos kai einai kati pou tha katalaveis poso lathos apoktontas empeiria se tetoies katastaseis.

To 2.5bb raise ekei me to AK einai standard kai kanei induce re-raise AI poly sixna (auto akrivws theloume na ginei se auth thn periptwsh). Sto flop eksarxhs mallon tha ekana kai egw paso alla den kserw lepromereis opws domh tou tournoua average (ektos apo auto pou eipe o antonis gia ta payout level) opote epifilasomai. Apla na pw oti ipo orismenes sinthikes mporei na einai kai call. Antwnh den simfwnw me tous logous pou ekanes call logo payouts klp, mia xara mporeis na to palepseis ekei me 11bb pou sou menoun se sxesh me to poso sixna tha diplasiaseis se auto to shmeio. Sigoura sto pisw meros tou mialou sou htan ta 400k pou eixes kai pws tha ta ksanapareis pisw "twra", distixws oloi to pathenoume kamia fora. Nikthegr ta perisotera pou les sto post sou gia to ti prepei (kai giati) na kanei o antonis me to AK ekei kathos kai me to ti tha ton kanoun call, einai lathos. Simfwnw fisika me to fold sto flop ektos apo poli extreme sinthikes opws eipa parapanw.

To pot einai girw sta 4.5bb kai exeis 11 peripou. Dedomenou oti kaneis den tha paei kalitero xeri px JK/JT/J9 me to stack sou kai oti ontas to to telefteo stack tou trapeziou eisai diatethimenos na paikseis auto to xeri mexri telous, opws kai na to paikseis den mporei na einai kai poli lathos. Genika tha protimousa to check mia pou isws pareis free card h kapoios mporei na pontarei kati se 300k xwris na xei J kai na paei paso otan mpeis AI pou einai kai to idaniko senario. Leptomereies, genika otan eisai 9os stous 9 kai flopareis tetoio xeri me stack ligo panw apo 2x pot apla "kapws" vale mesa ola sou ta lefta.

Kataferame na paroume ena seat sto xthesino 200 rebuy satelite gia to main event. O thodorhs termatise stous prwtous 19 pou kerdizan thn thesh (egw exasa peripou stous 30). Shmera se 2 wres pame gia to deutero satellite. Aurio day1 A paizw egw kai o Thodorhs kai to savvato o Kamatakis.

Swsto to paso. Well played. Edit: molis eida oti to tournoua einai $15 freezeout kai oti eixes 2475 otan arxise to xeri opote prepei na kaneis call 1725 telika kai exeis psilokala pot odds. Opote mia pou asxolithika eida kai ton antipalo sou sto official poker rankings: http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/po ... D.html?t=2 822 tournoua, mikro average buy in kai exei kataferei na kanei "sustain" -43% ROI... call kai sou anoigei para poli sixna 8x...

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Oxi poli megalo to tournoua alla telika kataferame to 1-2. Paizame kai oi 2 apo to spiti mou se diplana pc kai molis meiname HU girisame tis othones... kai foresame kai gialia hliou... POLI GELIO! (exw kai fwto) Elega ston Teo oti an xasei tha postarw oti ton rezilepsa sto HU alla i alitheia einai oti apla eixa pio kala filla To asteio einai oti eixa vgei prwtos sto idio tournoua kai xthes (mallon to exw auto me ta back to back lol) Poli wraio to: m3lancholy (thessaloniki) teo96 (thessaloniki) (kiriws giati einai apo panw to m3lancholy (den se xalase!))

holdemgr έγραψε: Five handed table: O Liakos kanei raise me :ola ta hand pou thelei na paiksei, tha elega kati se 35-40% O chipleader kanei re-raise me: 77+ / AT+ sigoura kai me merika akoma apla gia na klepsei to pot Apo auta ta xeria me posa kanei call to RE-RE-raise AI tou thodori? 2 random cards (i periptwsh tou resteal) oxi 77 oxi 88 oxi 99 oxi TT logika oxi JJ isws QQ mallon nai KK sigoura nai AA sigoura nai AK sigoura nai AQ mallon oxi AJ oxi AT oxi giati loipon den exoume folding equity?

Pros Baskont: re sy Vasili egrapsa 6 fores sto post mou oti den to lew gia kako alla to lew apla san gegonos kai ws kati pou prepei na proseksete. Imarton dld ti prepei na kanw gia na mhn pareksigithw. Ksanaskepsou to ligo pls. Kai fisika otan lew na antigrapsete den ennow to periexomeno alla to style. Den sas sigrinw me to coverage tou pokerstars opws den sigrinw ton eauto mou me ton Negraunu giati profanws den iparxei sigrish, eimaste erasitexnes mprosta tous. Xalarwste ligo. Sinithws pisw apo tis lekseis den krivontai oute eirwnies oute sinomosies oute agnwmosynh pros to ergo sas. Htan 2 para poli simantika xeria kai kai htan kai ta 2 grammena lathos. Na mhn to pw? Den katalavainw giati arpaxtikes. Telos pantws elpizw na ta poume oloi apo konta giati mallon me ton grapto logo den ta pame poli kala heh. Cheers.

Yannis X έγραψε: To move den tou vgike dextike call apo KK... Parola auta htan swsto.

Den thelw na ginw kakos alla den mporw na mhn sxoliasw to coverage tou 2000NL sto San Remo. Sxedon ola ta xeria (kai den ipervalw) einai grammena lathos... Tha ithela na parakalesw tous ellines pou kaliptoun ta event na einai ligo pio prosektikoi kai sxolastikoi otan kanoun ta live updates gia to kalo olwn mas. To kserw oti einai diskolo kiriws otan einai polloi ellhnes alla toulaxiston otan to tournoua einai se late stage tha prepei na dinete prosoxh. Na rwtate px kai na anafereste sto posa (poso htan to raise poso to re-raise klp), posa htan ta blinds kai poso to effective stack. Parathetw 2 xeria pou opws parousiastikan adikoun ton Thodorh kathws kai kapoia analish (apla ephdh exw oreksh auth thn stigmh) UPDATE 18:25 Ο Θοδωρής Αηδονόπουλος αποκλείει τον Ιταλό σούπερ σταρ Μαξ Πεσκατόρι από το τελικό τραπέζι και σχεδόν διπλασιάζει το στακ του, φτάνοντας περίπου τα 1,2 εκατομμύρια τσιπς. Η παρτίδα εξελίχθηκε ως εξής: Ο Θοδωρής από early potition κάνει raise κρατώντας A-J και ο Πεσκατόρι του γυρνάει ρέστα από middle potition με Α-Κ. Όλο το τραπέζι πηγαίνει πάσο και ο Θοδωρής αποφασίζει να δει το στοίχημα. Το φλοπ ανοίγει Q-4-3 επιτείνοντας την αγωνία, όμως το turn (βαλές - J) χαμογέλασε στο έλληνα παίκτη. Πανηγύρια των ελλήνων που παρακολουθούν το τελικό τραπέζι απο το rail. O Θοδωρής με ισχυρή πλέον θέση ανάμεσα στους 8 που συνεχίζουν! Πάμε γερά!! O Thodorhs ekane raise mia thesh prin to CO (mallon den einai early position auto). O Thodorhs eixe stack 700.000 peripou kai o Max 400.000. Ta blinds htan 12.500/25.000. To raise htan 70.000 kai o max ekane AI apo to megalo blind gia 400.000. O thodorhs eprepe na dei 330.000 gia peripou 500.000. To xeri auto einai AUTO-CALL. Opws epesimane amesws o Liakos (paikths sxedon tou 1.000.000 to xrono me empiria se 10 EPT main events) to raise tou Max ekei einai 50% move... O Croc eipe epishs oti einai auto-call kai oti o Max mpainei AI ekei (ektos apo to re-steal me asxeto filo) me OLA ta loze kathws kai me A8s+. Epishs to flop eixe kai 2 kara (o teo kratouse AJd kai o max AKs). Leptomeria, to simantiko se ena xeri den einai pws epesan ta filla kai an px o enas ekane 2 outer sto "river" efoson ta lefta mpikan preflop. An diavasei kaneis to report pou leei oti to raise tou thodorh einai apo early position kai to AI apo to button (kai xwris anafora sta stacks) apla tha simperanei oti o thodorhs einai kakos paixths... UPDATE 17:30 Σε ένα χέρι για ..."καρδιακό επεισόδιο" ο Θοδωρής διπλασίασε απέναντι στον chip leader του τραπεζιού, ενώ στο τραπέζι απομένουν 6 παίκτες. Το χέρι εξελίχθηκε ως εξής: Pre-flop raise αρχικά από τον Αηδονόπουλο, re-raise από τον chip-leader. Οι υπόλοιποι παίκτες παραμένουν έξω και ο θοδωρής απαντάει με δεύτερο re-raise. Η παρτίδα πηγαίνει all-in πριν το φλοπ. Ο Θοδωρής ανοίγει Α-8 offsuite (με τον άσο μπαστούνι - έχει σημασία!) και ο αντίπαλος δύο ρηγάδες. Το φλοπ είναι πραγματικά για σκληρά νεύρα: ανοίγει Ρήγας που δίνει σετ στον αντίπαλο, όμως τα φύλλα είναι όλα μπαστούνια!!! ¨Ενα τέταρτο μπαστούνι που ανοίγει μετά και κανένα όμοιο φύλλο στο board δίνουν το χρώμα κι έναν απίθανο διπλασιασμο στο Θοδωρή που βλέπει αυτή τη στιγμή το στακ του να είναι το μεγαλύτερο του τραπεζιού!! O Nikos Liakos kai oxi o thodorhs kanei raise preflop stis 110 xiliades (blinds 20.000/40.000 stack peripou 1.5 million) O chipleader (den thimame to onoma tou) o opoios sto proigoumeno xeri exei xasei 1.5 million pot me AA vs JJ kai pithanws na tiltarei kanei re-raise stis 350.000 peripou. O thodorhs mpainei AI me A8o gia 1.400.000… To trapezi einai six handed pleon kai ta hand values exoun pesei dramatika (oxi toso gia to A8 tou teo alla gia to range pou kanei raise o Nikos kai to range pou ton kanei re-raise o allos pou isws kai na tiltarei. To pot meta to raise kai to re-raise einai sxedon 550.000 kai o thodorhs vazei 1.400.000 gia na to parei kai na afkisei to stack tou kata sxedon 40%. An dexthei call exei peripou 70% enantion loze 99 ews KK kathws kai enantion AK (AQ h xeiroteros assos den ton kanei POTE call) kai molis 8% enantion AA. Den thelei kai polla mathimatika gia na dei kaneis to EV tou play autou. O Liakos ekane paso NTAMES se auto to xeri (htan kai squeezed anamesa ston re-raiser kai ton re-re-raiser) kai o allos eixe KK (poso sixna exei arage se sxesh me to range pou kanei re-raise se six handed trapezi to raise enos loose antipalou?) kai o thodorhs kerdise ena xeri pou eixe 30% na kerdisei. O chipleader fanera enoxlimenos eipe ston teo: “What did you put me on and moved AI with A8?” (den lew htan atixos o anthrwpos exase me AA kai KK back to back terastia pot) kai o teo tou apantise: “I guess you don’t re-raise there with AT or pocket 8s huh?” sto opoio den apantise… O italos paixths dipla ston Liako phge kai autos na kanei kapoio arnhtiko comment gia to play tou thodorh kai o Liakos ton diekopse kai tou eipe periftastika “Asto… auto htane wold class play” Simfwna me to report: Xwris na kseroume stacks kai blinds o thodorhs kanei raise kai otan dexete re-raise apo ton chip leader mpainei AI me A8… UPDATE 22:1O Ο Θοδωρής Αηδονόπουλος είναι στο heads-up του final table του side event των 2,000€ !!! Πριν από λίγα λεπτά ο εδώ και ώρα αδιφιλονίκητος chip leader του τραπεζιού, Νίκολας Λιάκος, απέκλεισε τον τρίτο ασιατικής καταγωγής Ιταλό φιναλίστ σε μία παρτίδα που εξελίχθηκε ως εξής: Ο Ιταλός κάνει raise και ο Λιάκος βλέπει το στοίχημα από το big blind. Το φλοπ ανοίγει 3-4-9 και ο Ιταλός ποντάρει ρέστα. Ο Λίακος βλέπει το στοίχημα και ανοίγει J-9, ενώ ο αντίπαλός του δείχνει ένα Α-3.... ελπίζοντας σε κάποιο από τα λιγοστά outs να εμφανιστούν στο turn ή το river. O Liakos ekane limp apo to button o teo ekane paso to mikro blind kai o allos check. Epite irthe auto tp flop kai o Italos mh exontas pleon polla chips mpike AI klp Opws eipa kai sthn arxh h analish htan “bonus” giati girisa oreksatos apo to san remo. Epishs opws eipa den to kanw gia ginw kakos h na adikisw ta paidia tou pokerland pou trexoun panw katw gia na kalipsoun to event alla san kaloproaireto sxolio gia na ginei veltiwsh (kai elpizw na mhn to pareksigisei kaneis) Deite ta live updates sto site tou EPT px kai “antigrapste” to tropo tous, kseroun ti kanoun. Kai ena telefteo xeri etsi trofh gia skepsh gia to giati oi periximenoi tournament players einai petiximenoi: Me blinds 15.000/30.000 o teo kanei raise UTG 85.000 se 8 handed table. O Liakos apo to button kanei re-raise peripou stis 250.000. Ta effective stacks einai 1.2 million. O thodorhs (pou se kapoia allh fash tou final table mpike AI me A8 meta apo raise kai re-raise...) meta apo poli skepsh kanei paso JJ… Auta ta oliga (lol). Elpizw na mhn sas kourasa kai na mhn pareksigithw alla ithela na pw 5 pramata.

Exeis 6.5 BBs. Swsta mpikes AI me 66 kai poli swsta se eidan kai oi 2 kai kanan check check gia na se kanoun bust. Logika tha eixes girw sto 30% na nikiseis otan mpikan ta lefta afou mallon exoun 4 overcards sto pair sou. H atixia pou einai?