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foustouki έγραψε: Profanws kai den tha katseis/den mporeis na ipologiseis ekeinh thn wra tetoia pragmata. Opws eipe o sicksick akrivws autos einai logos pou kathomaste kai ta ipologizoume meta, gia na eimaste oso to dinaton pio empeiroi kai pio konta sthn "mantepsia" pou tha kanoume sta liga deuterolepta pou exoume gia thn apofash. Kai mantepse... doulevei. Otan paizw kai vriskomai se ena spot pou den kserw ti na kanw, kanw kati pou mou fenete swsto, kai simiwnw kateutheian ena note dipla se ena xarti px. "tade xeri me toso stack kai blinds, se auto to position, leipei to sb kai einai enas antipalos me 2bb sto button". Otan teliwsw to session kathomai ligo na to melethsw na dw poso lathos ekana kai ti htan kalitero na kanw kai etsi siga siga apoktas thn empeiria na "manteveis" to swsto se katastaseis pou den vriskese sixna. Einai o logos pou "malwnw" sinexeia filous mou. Paizoun ena tour kai egw parakolouthw, kai se kapoia fash me rwtane sto msn "edw ta vazw?" gia ena preflop spot pou tha eprepe na kseroun. Tous krazw me ta to telos tournoua kai tous lew na katsoun na to ipologisoun, kai mentepse meta apo dio meres me rwtane to idio/paromoio spot. To poker thelei PARA poly douleia off the table kai to ematha kai egw arketa arga kiriws apo ton Ilio. Kata ta alla me kalipsane nomizw 100% ta post tou crf kai tou sicksick. Kai pros theou mhn nomizei kaneis oti thread einai gia na kraksoume ton Pheidia lol. Ekane ena lathos pou sthn telikh den htan kai toso megalo kai htan aformh gia mia wraia kouventa.

Eukolo check/fold sto flop.

alienhack έγραψε: No offence alla ti ennoeis "nomizeis" einai call? Einai (eukola) ipologisimo kai opws eipa (an den ekana kamia lathos praksh lol) einai ligo meion akoma kai an o ael1979 kanei shove ekei as light as Q2o.

ImbecIle έγραψε: http://www.icmpoker.com/Calculator.aspx ImbecIle έγραψε: Αν όμως βάλουμε και το metagame (θεωρητικά τουλάχιστον, η αν πρόκειται για sng regulars που θα τους συναντούμε συχνά) μέσα στην εξίσωση, το να κάνεις light calls σε τέτοιες περιπτώσεις (που μπορεί στην δεδομένη στιγμή να είναι -$ΕV) να αναγκάζεις το sb να γίνεται πιο tight μελλοντικά => +$EV μακροχρόνια? Φυσικά δεν ισχύει αυτό για μεμονωμένα τουρνουά όπως στην συγκεκριμένη κατάσταση. An htan sng isws alla prokeite gia to FT tou kiriaktikou 100r... Mallon den "prolavaineis" na ftaseis to makroxronia sthn zwh sou

Well played ola ta streets nomizw. Sto river kanw paso sxedon panta.

Kanontas merika math gia to xeri: An to KJ tou antipalou einai bottom range pou kanei call tote to shove tou ael me Q2o einai einai gyrw sta $1k arnhtiko. Oso pio poly mas callarei fysika toso pio kako einai to shove mas. Apo thn meria tou antipalou twra an tou POUME oti kanoume shove peripou 70% (gia na einai to Q2o sto range mas) kai kanoume shove tote to call tou me KJs einai sxedon even se $EV. (ligo meion vasika). Epidh den nomizw na iksere oti o ael einai TOSO light mallon htan poly meion kai to diko tou call me ta dedomena pou eixe. Einai klassikh periptwsh pou logo ICM mporoume na kanoume shove para poly wide kai o antipalos pali prepei na callarei poly tight akoma kai na kserei oti eimaste wide. To provlhma sinithws einai oti ontas sthn thesh tou ael den mporeis na ksereis pote oti o allos tha paiksei optimally. To diko mas shove px me 55-60% einai thetiko an o antipalos kserei me ti prepei na callarei. Sthn praksh epidi tha kanei call me polla fylla pou den prepei kataligei na einai arnhtiko kai gia tous dio mas (kerdizoun oloi oi alloi sto trapezi). Sthn telikh nomizw kai ta 2 play htan lathos (tha elega pio polu tou ael) eidika an valoume kai ton paragonta variance se toso megala payouts. To hand: PokerStars Game #41519882731: Tournament #302010507, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIX (20000/40000) - 2010/03/22 4:33:06 EET [2010/03/21 22:33:06 ET] Table '302010507 68' 9-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: ael1979 (720853 in chips) Seat 3: delaney_kid (628620 in chips) Seat 4: wywrotX (663364 in chips) Seat 5: 00psiedaisy (2587252 in chips) Seat 6: fabstinho (925886 in chips) Seat 7: xMAESTROx (1099457 in chips) Seat 8: DrunkPPlaya (744568 in chips) ael1979: posts the ante 4000 delaney_kid: posts the ante 4000 wywrotX: posts the ante 4000 00psiedaisy: posts the ante 4000 fabstinho: posts the ante 4000 xMAESTROx: posts the ante 4000 DrunkPPlaya: posts the ante 4000 ael1979: posts small blind 20000 delaney_kid: posts big blind 40000 *** HOLE CARDS *** wywrotX: folds 00psiedaisy: folds fabstinho: folds xMAESTROx: folds DrunkPPlaya: folds ael1979: raises 676853 to 716853 and is all-in delaney_kid: calls 584620 and is all-in Uncalled bet (92233) returned to ael1979 *** FLOP *** [Jh 7h 9d] *** TURN *** [Jh 7h 9d] [3c] *** RIVER *** [Jh 7h 9d 3c] [2c] *** SHOW DOWN *** ael1979: shows [2h Qs] (a pair of Deuces) delaney_kid: shows [Jc Kc] (a pair of Jacks) delaney_kid collected 1277240 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 1277240 | Rake 0 Board [Jh 7h 9d 3c 2c] Seat 1: ael1979 (small blind) showed [2h Qs] and lost with a pair of Deuces Seat 3: delaney_kid (big blind) showed [Jc Kc] and won (1277240) with a pair of Jacks Seat 4: wywrotX folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: 00psiedaisy folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: fabstinho folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: xMAESTROx folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: DrunkPPlaya (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

gg, better luck next time.

foustouki έγραψε: Egw nai sxedon 100%.

J0hnny_Dr@m@ έγραψε: haha love you man.

An prokeite na kaneis paso tote exeis na sigrineis to value twn ekshs options: kanw ena random 3-bet san na exw 72o (+blockers) kanw call me position/megala stack/to 3-4 kalitero xeri tou paixnidiou. an gia kapoio aneksigito logo to 1o einai toso kalo spot gia re-steal tote 3-bet/fold away. o monos logos gia na kanw 3-bet einai gia akolouthisei kai 5-bet meta (kai to value of course mia pou exoume megala stack) As played shovarw me mish kardia alla kata kanona kanw call pre. Kai sigoura to mono pou den kanw einai na kanw 3-bet kai meta na postarw to xeri giati den eixa parei apofash apo prin gia to ti kanw an faw 4-bet cg btw.

Fold preflop, as played good luck.

mathew ace έγραψε: Nai fantasthko. To skeptiko tou mallon htan kapws etsi: "Hmm ekana raise sta 20k kai efaga re-raise sta 45k... Tha kanw 4-bet sta 152k "gia na dw pou eimai" kai an ta valei ola (312k) logika tha exei MONO assous opote tha petaksw KK me 3/1 preflop" Tiltara toso poly pou den kanw session paw gia kana poto.

fileasfog έγραψε: Σιγουρα, και γι αυτο κατα προσωπικη μου αποψη δεν εχει τοσο σημασια η ROI απο μονη της. Πρεπει παραλληλα να ελεχθουν ΑΒΙ,αριθμος τουρνουα και διασπορα κερδων (οχι 1 τουρ με κερδη 80000 $ και μετα τιποτα) και βεβαια το ειδος των τουρνουα και ο βαθμος δυσκολιας του καθενος[/quote:1ll4k666] My point exactly.

Oxi toso auto. Apla o orismos as poume tou multitabling. Polla tour ligotero ROI sto kathena = perisotera $$. To poios exei kalitero ROI den einai poios einai kaliteros. To poios vgazei pio polla lefta einai. Autos pou paizei 500 tour/xrono (dld 2 thn mera peripou) kai exei px ROI 80% pistepse einai adinaton na to kanei paizontas 3k tour/xrono.

fileasfog έγραψε: Mporei. An ton Ilio px gia kapoio logo ton niazei mono to poso ROI tha exei px se ABI 100 kai pei oti gia ena xrono tha paizw mono 1 h 2 100ria tour thn mera tote to ROI pou tha vgalei tha einai ekswpragmatiko. Alla tha tzirarei kati san $4k-5k/mhna an to kaneia auto. Protima loipon na kanei multitabling 6-8 tours (kati to opoio rixnei katakorifa to ROI tou se kathe ena apo auta) gia polles wres, alla etsi tzirarei poly perisotera lefta. Protimaei na tzirarei anti gia 5k ton mhna me 100%+ ROI, 50k ton mhna me 30% ROI. An esy px girnas to meshmeri apo thn douleia sou, kaneis oti kaneis kai to vrady vazeis na paikseis px to 100 FO sto stars kai meta apo 2 wres to $150 sto Tilt kai tpt allo, enw o Ilios paizei tautoxrona to 100 sto stars, to 50r sto tilt, to 100r sto stars, to 50r sto stars, to 150 sto tilt, to 50r sthn ongame kai kana 2 akoma, tote sta SIGEKRIMENA 2 tour pou paizeis esy tha exeis kalitera apotelesmata apo ton Ilio akoma kai na eisai xeiroteros paixths. Auto ennoei o Xrhstos "sinthikes" kai oxi profanws oti kapoios pou exei kai allh douleia einai pio ksekourastos otan paizei poker klp. Auto vevea eksartate kai apo tis dinatothtes tou kathenos se multitabling kai wres pou mporei na paizei A game. An checkarete OPR stats apo kapoious megalous winners sto PS px tha deite 2 "kathgories". Autous pou paizoun "ligo" alla se terastio ABI kai me megalo ROI kai autous pou paizoun sto miso ABI i ligotero kai me mikrotero ROI alla paizoun 4 fores perisotera tours kai etsi exoun ta idia kerdh. Oi prwtoi "kseroun kalitero poker" apo tous deuterous alla san "epagelmaties paixtes poker" oi deuteroi einai eksisou kaloi (efoson vgazoun ta idia lefta).

TELIKH LISTA: SickSick baskont Antonisgr thanasis1982 m3lancholy kwste82 saCri_ruL3s emperr0r miltos14 teo96 crf88 Polinikis bisbiki78 kkouis ActionFreak Apo oti katalava oi perisoteroi (kai egw mesa) theloume na to afhsoume winner takes all opws eixame kanonisei arxika, opote $1500 gia ton prwto. Gl all.

SickSick baskont Antonisgr thanasis1982 m3lancholy kwste82 saCri_ruL3s emperr0r miltos14 teo96 crf88 Polinikis bisbiki78 kkouis ActionFreak Tha kanw mia teleftea enhrwsh aurio to mesimeri giati twra prepei na vgw. An den iparxei provlhma fisika tha dextoume kai argotera apo tis 0:00 giati einai kapoioi pou mou exoun steilei pm to apogeuma kai molis twra tous apanthsa.

SickSick baskont Antonisgr thanasis1982 m3lancholy kwste82 saCri_ruL3s emperr0r miltos14 teo96 crf88

SickSick baskont Antonisgr thanasis1982 m3lancholy kwste82 saCri_ruL3s emperr0r miltos14

Miltos.cy έγραψε: bodog?[/quote:iel24e5k] Apo sena ta pernw kai se eidos. Mhn spamareis to thread.

SickSick baskont Antonisgr thanasis1982 m3lancholy kwste82 saCri_ruL3s emperr0r Shmeiwsh: Mporeite na steilete kai sto poker.gr (zografidis) h sto fulltilt (kiutsushou), apla steilte kai ena p.m. gia na to dw.

Pros to paron: SickSick baskont Antonisgr thanasis1982 m3lancholy kwste82 saCri_ruL3s keep em coming.

Oxi apo oti katalava xrhsimopoioume thn idia vathmologia pou tha exei to stars gia na vgalei to top 10. Apla o prwtos tha pernei kai sidebet. As to ksekatharisoume an thelete (Vasilh) gia na arxisoume na mazeuomaste.

Guys ekana kainourio thread : http://www.pokerland.gr/option,com_kune ... html#41468

Ok eipa na ksekinisw kainourio thema gia na mhn scrolarei o kosmos sto allo pou exei polles selides. m3lancholy (thessaloniki) gia ta tranfers. To sidenet einai $100/atomo winner take all (o paikths me thn kalyterh vathmologia meta to telos ths seiras) To history tou cashier mou kai tou apostolea apo mono tou epivevaiwnei thn symetoxh opote no problem me auto. An simfwnoune oloi as poume symetoxes mexri thn kyriakh to vradi stis 0:00. Tha dwsw thn telikh lista ston Vasilh me ta atoma pou einai mesa, thn deutera prin to prwto tournoua. Mexri tote tha postarw edw opote mporw ti ginete me simmetoxes gia na kserete ti ginete. Gl all.