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me toso kakous pektes (logo buy in) den foldarw pote aks katw apo 50bbs... (i telos padon se spanies periptosis pou auti den einai mia apo autes) enas kakos alla akoma aki metrios pektis tha peksei pisteuw ta 35bbs tou me tt+ kai isos aq+ opote overall aks is a go for me... estw kaai an edw exoume cold 4bet pou dixnei super stornge flat den uparxei ... einai super bad given the stack sizes... fold maybe its too nit for me... genika an den aisthanese aneta na pekseis ta 40bbs sou pre mhn kaneis 3bet... (an kai se auti tin peiptosi exoume cold 4bet pou dixnei ligo parapanw dinami apo jam tou OR) simberasmatika: 3bet/fold its just LOL (genika me hands pou exoun value) 3bet/flat 4bet polu bad episis 3bet/get them in its always ok enalaktika an den aisthanese aneta just flat and play the flop... (i stin periptosi tha etroges 3bet pou boreis na flatareis in position polu pio efkola apo oti na flatareis 4bet)

se auto to flop vs flat den kanw pote cheack.... opws eipe kai o safesteps otan kapios se flatarei kai exeis katw apo 20bb einai apla kakos pektis kai to kanei me kapio pp (sinithos). ara einai telio flop pou tha nomizei oti apla exeis kanei miss kai pas na tou to pareis... bet/bet/bet imo... mi sou pw toso agro pout on blepw pezei an se girnage sto flop... (krinodas apo ta bet zizing kai to line tou)

Edw to thema den einai pws tha paroume value... Einai toso wet pou perneiss value apo ta pada.... Tros efkola calls.... To mono pou me anisixei edw einai pws kaneis pot control .... Giati to raise tha to fas poluuuuuu sixna.... Genika bet flop is a must!!!!!! Bet turn check river.... Genika thelei reval kathe street.... Alla sigoura arxizoume me bet flop. An to pas cheackaristo to xaneis 90% twn forwn 3 way, toso wet!

dld an aproume to paketo prepei na dianiktereusoume 5 meres? den boroume na to akurosoume to ksenodoxio?? bah panw pou elega an to peksw... mono tetartes dld?

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easy fold.... sto 2o thelopume na callaroume to isolation apo to mono stuck pou mas kaliptei? otan eoxume sxedon 25bbs+ ? edw call blepw mono me jj+

kalo.. kai wraia side events... kai kalo super sat (me kali analogia buy in - ticket).... kai 2 day event me 330... superb tha kaoume mou fenete auto to 4hmero

lol sooo donk lol lol... edaksi kathe regular den to petaei sto telos.. klaei brizei kai tank..... call

realistika den nomizw oti to petaw pote edw... bebea se donk tourneys kai genika mikra buy ins, prepei na exeis kapia solid reads stous weak pextes pou isoun se idia tables. An exeis brei auta ta reads kai ksereis na tous kaneis abuse eukola fold... dld exw brethei se katastasis pou foldarw marginal ahnds giati kserw p.x oti kanoun fold se cbet 100% opote lew tha tous kanw abuse efkola, i oti foldaroun sxedon pada 3bet... etc... se ena kanoniko pados tourney u cry.... and u call.. oxi oti epidi einai donkaros den tou dinw kai diafora random 2 pairs... alla to KJ pezei polu...

apla eleos... posa boroun graftoun se ena toso astio thema? san mesimeriano koutsobolistiko programa exei ginei edw polu gelio!!! kake crf ebrises to pedi!!! edaksi twra oloi happy? ton malwsame crf tha protina na baleis paliess sizitisis sas (pou sigoura se kapio table tha uparxoun) pou autos bori na eipe kati analogo se ena kenourio thema gia na ksanarxisoume ti koubeda analoga... etsi gia na exei endiaferon.... dld wtf who cares??? edw eimaste POKER community... @ banskot : WTF??? pragmatika den pisteuw oti katalabes to point.. tou post, tou kraksimatos apo olous... an kapoios exei prosopika me kapion apla den einai thema enos POKER community...

wow panw pou elega oti den asxoloume me live ... mas kolazoun re gmt

sas ksefeugei kati simadiko... an o adipalos exei monster jj/33 den borei na kanei river shove pote me line bet/bet/bet giati einai polu deep... ara ena c/r sto turn afinei room gia pot sixe river shove... episis to akhh exei point giati baras adinama ara thorei oti exei FE plus polla outs an ginei shove (oxi oti to zitaei profanos se auti ti periptosi) poloi hu regs pezoun fdraw me overcards me riase sto turn giati dixnei super strong. to air pezei arketa gia tous logous pout o akhh einai kalo play, FE+ diko sous mall bet ta aa/kk den tha thela shove river opote tha pigenan se line bet/bet/bet me 1/2 pot bets gia kapos pot control (adi gia 3/4-pot bets pou pas gia shove) @maurogata gia to logo pou eipa panw to jj paei gia max value se turn gia na exei pot size river shove... allios den bori na balei 300bbs mesa...

den borw na fadastw me ti kanei cheack turn kai cheack river... edw i theorei oti se tromake o K kai den tha parei allo call enw exei monster (ak-kk) opote cheackarei turn ... alla rivertha pigene gia value LOGIKA... kapoioi kakoi pektes bori na pane gia c/r me monster edw ... alla den nomizw oti foldareis efkola... dld to range tou einai super polaraized se ak-kk-66 pou kapia apo auta ta holdings eiani super hard na ta exei... an exei to tendency na janei bluf se river ... i call almost every time meta apo 2 cheack kaneis bet this river... perimeneis call apo any Jx... i akoma kai apo mid pairs edw pera...

33,jj or akhh, aqhh nothing else... ta deftera combos pio polu an einai kalos reg kai pezei 100nl-200nl bebea tinw sta deftrea giati to podarisma sou einai too week gia hu... opote theorei oti exei polu fe... pados aki autos kanei mikro cbet... pou den kserw an tha ekane toso mikro cbet me akhh se 3beted pot... mallon megaliterot ha ekane... ta cbet tou pada htan toso mikra? mipos allazei cbet sizing? giati den borw na fadastw se hu toso mikra cbets...

Toympas έγραψε: lol? to bet tou einai MIKROTERO kai apo to 3bet tou... dld sxedon 30% tou pot... apo tight kao pekti mallon fibismeno missed ak miazei or total monster qq...[/quote:2majc6iy] Δηλαδη εσυ αν κραταγες Q-Q και μετα απο action pre flop αμα flopares 8-8-Q θα betares το 40% του pot?????Και εξαλλου δεν διαφωνω καπου μαζι σου και εγω το Q-Q το απεκλεισα (για διαφορετικο λογο απο οτι καταλαβα) αλλα δεν εχει σημασια. Απο την στιγμη που σε οποιοδηποτε call η raise αυτοματα δεσμευομαστε θεωρισα το fold την ποιο ασφαλη επιλογη,κατι που δν εκανα pre flop ομως.[/quote:2majc6iy] kata 80% nai tha betara 33-40% tou pot giati kserw oti ekei flatareis kapio mid pair opote bori na pistepseis oti exw kanei miss kai na thoriseis oti exeis FE kai na shovareis... beba gi auto to logw tha baraga kai me misses ak kapou toso... pados sti thesi sou an o pektis eixe katw apo 20$ abi ta eixa balei flop aneta... giati poli diskola tha ekane induce shove me monter...

Toympas έγραψε: lol? to bet tou einai MIKROTERO kai apo to 3bet tou... dld sxedon 30% tou pot... apo tight kao pekti mallon fibismeno missed ak miazei or total monster qq...

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sotiris4ad έγραψε: oi kaliteori pekteskai o foustouki sto 50nl... @ foustouki an apo ola auta pou egrapsa katalabes oti paratas to pot sto turn... no wonder giati den katalabeneis tpt apo auta pou egrapsa

ama o allos ginete stucked off tosa bbs me oute kan mid pair... GIA VALUE tote ti na sou pw... mallon berdeueis to gegonos oti metatrepseis ot xeris ou se blofa kai kapios callarei poli light gia bluf catching me to valuebet/call... profanos kai den prokite na kanei autos value bet ta mid pairs tou opws profanos kai dent ha ta callarei!!! call edw tros MONO apo fila pou xaneis... apo logikous/metrious pextes... ksanalew an o allos xanei 1 buy in me oute kan mid pair (77-66 or whetevr) tote mialme gia super donks pou dne kseroun pou einai to fold!!! me to bet sou OUTE value perneis kai ginese stucked off monos sou apo better... episis tha sou sinistousa na mhn kaneis 3barrels stucking off me mid pair kathe fora gia VALUE... an epiase mai fora den pianei TIS PERISOTERES kai tha bgis massive mion... (LOL) kai anyhow den exei polu noima i peretero sizitisi gia to xeri for me its more than obvius... twra an upirxan speciall dynamics, reads etc... profanos pratoume analogos...

eipa value call oxi bluf catching call... mallon den diabazeis kai ti grafw... kata periptosi kai me 22 bori na se callarei an pisteuei oti blofareis... blufing with the best hand... alla den nomizw oti milame gi auto edw... edw milame gia VALUE BET- VALUE CALL

ektos kai an htan kanenas parapligokos to river bet den einai pote value bet oute kan gia balance... pesmou me ti xirotero tha callare pote ever? otan podareis kai den diwxneis kalitera fila, kai den perneis value apo xirotera kaneis to xeri sou blofa!! osoi den to pisteuoun as mou pite em ti xeria callaroun to river bet gia value!!! kai pia kalitera xeria bori na foldaroun... jesus...

den nomizw oti to thema tou challenge einai ta xrimata...

einai ena kalo line pou mettrepei to xeri sou se blofa... opote to pezeis etsi tha kerdizeis 1 h 2 street value kai kapies fores tha ginese stucked off... sto bet sto river den perneis pote call apo worst kai oute kaneis better hands than yours to fold... opote pragmatika den blepw tin stratigiki/logo gia to opio to kaneis i logiki baraw gia na mhn kanw cheack kai bluf catching is just.... bad as to thesoume polu apla tis fores pou xaneis me to na kaneis cheack kai call (pada, pou den to protinw apla gia na katalabeis poso lathos einai to line sou) pada tha xaseis ta idia me to na kaneis bet/bet/bet giati apla den foldarei anything better apo to hand sou. opote to line sou me to cheack call line is break even tis fores pou kerdizeis twra me to line sou den afineis ton allon na se blofarei i akoma kai na kanei think value bet worst pou orismenes fores bori na pistepsei toi bori (idika an exeis dwsei 2 cheack i kai ena apo to tiver) opote edw to line sou einai simadika mion .... genikos kanonas pou exw barethei na ton lew se auto to forum mhn kanete to xeri sas blofa...

oute mena mou aresei to raisde pre toso deep... allo me 30bbs stuck pou pernoume blufing opportunities gia pot twn 5-7bbs pou einai megalo % tou stuck mas. edw den mas enidaferei auto, plus theloume overlimpers giati an crusharoume to board me ta fila mas poli pithano einai kai ta blinds kati na tsibisoun kai na mas dwsoun kapia streets of value extra. episis weak aces mas plirwnoun kala pou limparoun.. enw tous petame eksw xwris logo ... to isloate /raise pre to kanoume kai einai pio effective deep in the oturney me shallow stucks gia na apoktisoume to blufing opportunity pou mas dinei to play (plus oti o allos den petaei efkola to xeri tou olo akribos mikrwn stuck kai den mas bazei pote se 45s opote ton kanoume stuck off efkola), edw toso deep sxedon 100bbs den nomizw oti oute to bluffing mas endiaferei, oute stuck off ton kanoume me mikro ax an exei , kai mallon xanoume streets of value an kanoume crush to doard. twra sti periptoi tou cooler to raise den tha allaze kati an kapoioi auto uponooune... 22/33 big % of the time here but gg... nothing u can do

den mou aresei katholou to cold call se 3bet ekei pera gia pollous logous, kurios omws giati dineis kala odds ston initial raiser na callarei kai anagazese na pekseis kk vs 2 opponents OOP. me to fdraw katw den uoparxei periptosi o 3betor na mhn baresei vs 2 oppontents xeria opws tt or jj+ an einai super nitty 3betarei 99? an 3betarei 99 tote den einai super nitty kai kaos den ekanes 4bet eksarxis... mine sto read sou kai balta... to mono xeri me ta dika sou ta reads pou pezei einai AKs, bebea to 99 or even qj pezei polu... opote benw sti logiki na mhn kanw 4bet giati ta bazei o allos mono me AA pada to metaniwnw... kai pada to range tou telika einai pio week apo oti perimena...