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Vatal έγραψε: den pezete peftei i nixta sto palermo gamw, poker pezete[/quote:49wmo1mf] OMG OMG!!!!!! respect

w0undy έγραψε: Me tiltareis afantasta. Afoy eisai kai mod loipon tha proteinw na prosthesete thn epilogh ignore. Dhladh na mporw na kanw ignore kapoion xrhsth kai na mhn blepw ta post toy. Pare thn protash moy, balth sto swsto forum, kane oti thes. Exeis tromaktika lathos proseggish sto poker genikotera kai oi gnwseis soy sta mathimatika einai toylaxiston eliphs.[/quote:roxpslhf] +1

foustouki έγραψε: wat?

holdemgr έγραψε: rly? egw prosopika den vlepw flush draw(me mikro equity)pou mporeis na pekseis profitably OOP ontas o PFR se tetoio board vs good reg me auto to line. ektos kai an metatrepeis to hand sou se OOP float tis fores pou den kaneis to flush alla kai pali den kserw kata poso einai +ev epeidh logika tha sou kanoun polla light calls

LUADARKO έγραψε: given that read eimai sigouros oti to kalutero line sto river einai c/fold den pame kala...tote gt kaneis check call se ola ta streets file?[/quote:3rndhlh3][/quote:3rndhlh3] loipon tha kanw alli mia prospatheia xoris kamia dosi eironias. Gia to c/c sto flop exw pei eidi se proigoumena post. Gia to c/c sto turn den simfonw kai toso giati opos eipa sto proto mou post ta outs mas den einai clean. To lathos pou kaneis gia mena, kai einai sovaro leak, an thes na veltioseis to pexnidi sou einai oti prepei na mporeis na kaneis evaluate se kathe street to range to diko sou alla akoma perissotero to range tou antipalou sou. To oti kanoume to str8 sto river den simenei oti exoume ta nuts an skeftoume to range pou kanei vbet auti ti sigekrimeni karta sto river. Telos sto oti kanoume call 2 streets den simenei oti prepei na kanoume call sto river epeidi veltiothikame(ta hands pou pezoun etsi 2 streets exoun polu q kai gia na to katalaveis auto den xriazete na eisai oute kan reg), tha vretheis valuetown kai den tha exeis katalavei to pos. PS: mia teleutea polu filiki simvouli kai pali xoris kamia dosi eironias, vlepw se post sou oti anafereis polu to bet for information stamatise to oso poio grigora mporeis, kane bet for value or bet as bluff. filika, den exw kamia diathesi na mpw se prosopiki antiparathesi mazi sou, goustarw pragmatika pou epitelous ginete prospathia gia sovari sizitisi panw se strategy sto land kai den thelw na paei allou h kouventa.

holdemgr έγραψε: given that read eimai sigouros oti to kalutero line sto river einai c/fold, to value range tou sto river mas exei crash kai to kalutero pou elpizoume einai split(idika an den kanei thin vbets w/ 2p/set se auto to board kai se auto to action). antoni: me olo to sevasmo, an kai sigoura exeis polu megaluteri empeiria apo mena, nomizw oti to flod sto flop einai polu weak efoson kanoume chek to flop os initial raiser kai nomizw einai kalo line(to c/c) gia pot control/induce bluffs. gia to river pou les bet/call nomizw prepei na einai super spew o antipalos kai na metatrepsei value hands opos 2p/set se bluff or total air gia na einai +ev alla logw stack sizes den nomizw oti to kanei pote auto giati den exei arketo fe, an imastan poio deep tote to bet/call tha to katalavena perissotero

Dusan έγραψε: Eisai o PFR kai exeis fd me hand pou den exei SD value se a high board kai kaneis chek? kai ante kai kaneis chek to flop kaneis c/call to turn?

mmm gia na pw tin alithia to skeftome polu ora to hand alla akoma den eimai sigouros poio einai to sosto(gia to mono pou eimai sigouros einai oti to post tou luadarko einai toulaxiston tragiko) mias kai to hand pisteuw einai arketa periploko. an mas edines liga parapanw reads gia ton antipalo tha mporouse na genei kaluteri kouventa nomizw, anyway i'll try ksekinontas apo to flop opos eipes to c/c einai std. sto turn omos dn kserw kata poso kanei pote 2b w/ air mias kai to 8s einai polu kaki karta na kanei 2b giati ta hands pou kaneis c/c to flop voithane para polu to range sou kai auksanoun arketa to eq pou exeis sto pot, einai opos eipes marginal to call kai dn diafonw se kapoies periptoseis na kanoume marginal call downs alla edw to provlima mou einai oti ta outs mas dn einai clean... Sto river tora pou xtipame to str8 nomizw me auti ti karta to: 1)lead small/call einai xazo kai burning money kai dn tha mpw sti diadikasia na to analusw.3)to c/shove episis dn xriazete analusi giati einai ilithio.3)to c/call or c/fold einai PARA MA PARA POLU KONTA imo kai pisteuw eksartatai polu apo to betsizing kai timing tells,nomizw an kanei shove eimai poio konta sto call alla me misi kardia, mias kai spania kanei vbet xeirotero. edw thelw na pw kai kati pou isos mas strefei poio polu sto call, to hand mas edw den einai pote ma pote flush(fantazome)alla an den mas doseis reads dn kserw kata poso mporei na to ekmetaleutei auto... PS:holdem pisteueis oti einai ikanos na kanei thin vbet w/2p(px aj) or set se auto to river? edit:tora eida to 2o post sou, alla nomizw einai ligo donk giati opos eipa esu diskola exeis flush, alla diorthose me an kanw lathos se auto.

Sinithos den mou aresei na postarw, alla epeidh auto to thread einai apo ta liga pou exei strategy(kai elpizw na parameinei etsi) tha pw kai egw tin apopsi mou. genika h partida vs random reg kata ti gnwmi mou pezei apo moni tis, dld chek beh to turn kai prob fold river bet(den perimenw apo ton mesw reg pexti na metatrpsei hand tou stil aq/ak se bluff sto river sxedon pote). opote se auto to simio simfonw apoluta me tin analusi tou holdem sto proto tou post. holdemgr έγραψε:

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/showfla ... r=12157664 Για όποιον βαριέται να διαβάσει όλο το thread(αν και το συνιστώ) μπορει να διαβασει το παρακάτω που είναι σε γενικές γραμμές τι πρέπει να κάνει κανείς για να κάνει exploit τους shortstackers Crushing Short Stacks - The Playbook. Against All Short Stacks * Be prepared for increased variance. * Remember effective stacks - Your stack is only as big as theirs. * Expect to play only preflop and flop. * Adjust calling range to stack size when calling pushes. Smaller stacks need less equity, larger need more. * Also consider any dead money. * Pot odds often give you equity to call even though you are behind their range. * Most players fold too much against short stacks. Short stacks make a lot of profit from this. * Don't be afraid of SS's using other big stacks to squeeze. The other big stack will usually get out of your way. * Turn their tactics against them. Push over their preflop raises. Call their raise and donk-push flop. Do this with ATC and QQ/KK/AA. A wide range in general. * Play very aggressively against them pre-flop. Steal their blinds at every opportunity. Raise their limps. Be prepared to call if they push flop. Don't raise if you're not going to call the push most of the time. Limp re-raise. 3bet them lightly. Don't let them see cheap flops. Make poker expensive. Make them play for stacks on YOUR terms. * If you are considering raising a hand like 76s and there is a SS in the hand, reconsider if you KNOW he's going to push a lot of flops. Limp or juice the pot with a small raise instead. * You do not HAVE to cbet against short stacks, even heads up. Take the free card. Let him bet then CRAI. Put him to the tough equity decision. Push instead of a normal sized cbet. Don't give him the opportunity to come over the top of you. Do this sometimes when you have a hand you want to felt too, so he can't put you on a range of hands and make him fold the better hand sometimes. Against Loose Short Stacks * Want to get stacks in ASAP. * Very wide range in all situations. * When they push over your preflop raise with 20BB, call with 33+/AJ+ or 55+/AJ+ if they're in the BB. * When they push over your preflop raise with 30BB, call with 99+/AQ+. * When they push flops you have equity to call with if you connected with the flop in any way as well as with good overcards. Against Tight (but bad) Short Stacks * Do not know how to use FE. * Will call preflop raises with low PP's and SC's without odds. Exploit this. * When they push over your preflop raise with 20BB, call with 55+/AK+ or JJ+/AK+ if they're in the BB. * When they push over your preflop raise with 30BB, call with JJ+/Ak+. * Pushes usually mean they have a hand (TP or better or big draw). Call flop pushes only with TPTK or better. Against Good Short Stacks * Will use FE to try and exploit you. * Capable of adjusting their game. Range may be as wide as loose SS or as tight as tight(bad) SS. * On average, when they push over your preflop raise with 20BB call with 22+/AQ+ or 44+/AQ+ if they're in the BB. * On average, when they push over your preflop raise with 30BB call with TT+/AQ+. * Adjust this if you think they are being more or less aggressive with their pushes. * Postflop their range will be similar to loose short stackers. You have equity to call with a very wide range. * If he limp/called preflop he often won't have much of a hand or he would have raised. * Always beware of good short stackers adjusting to your play. * Make them fear messing with you and establish that they don't have FE and can't steal from you. This will force them to back off and seek other targets. PS: hope all sortstackers loose they rolls