To value-bet or not?

[noble]

Klasika se tetia buy ins to epipedo twn paiktwn einai polu xamilo

me tous paiktes na skorpane chips apo dw k apo kei..

sto trapezi ekeino paizw mono kana tetarto

o antipalos ap oti exw dei einai arketa loose me sxedon mhdeniko aggressive factor..

PokerStars Game #45787237147: Tournament #282438268, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2010/06/20 23:17:04 ET

Table '282438268 84' 9-max Seat #9 is the button

Seat 1: pandapup (5982 in chips) is sitting out

Seat 2: daric530 (10795 in chips)

Seat 3: zhukvlad (3616 in chips)

Seat 4: noble-gr (21479 in chips)

Seat 5: josiane_nc (29118 in chips)

Seat 6: StoneRyder (9163 in chips)

Seat 7: <O<F<F<C<E (12212 in chips)

Seat 8: Pie_IX (25284 in chips)

Seat 9: 4granted (17901 in chips)

pandapup: posts the ante 50

daric530: posts the ante 50

zhukvlad: posts the ante 50

noble-gr: posts the ante 50

josiane_nc: posts the ante 50

StoneRyder: posts the ante 50

<O<F<F<C<E: posts the ante 50

Pie_IX: posts the ante 50

4granted: posts the ante 50

pandapup: posts small blind 200

daric530: posts big blind 400

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to noble-gr [Qh Qs]

zhukvlad: folds

noble-gr: raises 485 to 885

josiane_nc: folds

StoneRyder: folds

<O<F<F<C<E: folds

Pie_IX: calls 885

4granted: folds

pandapup: folds

daric530: folds

*** FLOP *** [Qc 3c Ac]

noble-gr: bets 1234

Pie_IX: calls 1234

*** TURN *** [Qc 3c Ac] [4d]

noble-gr: bets 4777

Pie_IX: calls 4777

*** RIVER *** [Qc 3c Ac 4d] [3h]

noble-gr: bets 14533 and is all-in

Pie_IX: folds

Uncalled bet (14533) returned to noble-gr

noble-gr collected 14842 from pot

daric530 said, "EAT THAT PIE"

noble-gr: doesn't show hand

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 14842 | Rake 0

Board [Qc 3c Ac 4d 3h]

Seat 1: pandapup (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 2: daric530 (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 3: zhukvlad folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 4: noble-gr collected (14842)

Seat 5: josiane_nc folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 6: StoneRyder folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 7: <O<F<F<C<E folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 8: Pie_IX folded on the River

Seat 9: 4granted (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Apofasizw loipon meta to flop na pai3w autin tin pasa arketa epithetika kai na varesw dunata gia na ton kanw na plirwsei akriva en exei spa8i alla kai apo tin alli na pliro8o kala an krataei kapion A..

Ftanontas sto river kanw ena megalo bet-shove (to mege8os tou pot)

edw sto river tha ithela na akousw apopseis gia to an endukneitai h periptosi na kaname value bet anti gia pot-bet (all in)

auto pou skeftomoun einai oti an kunigouse to xrwma outws h allos 8a ekane fold enw anti8eta pisteuw oti 8a borousa (3analew s auto to epipedo) na plirothw apo kapio AJ p.x.

episis ena bet sta 6-8k den "pollarei" perisotero to range mas?