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Οπως ειπε και ο fileasfog σε περιπτωση allin βαζεις 1.6 για να κερδισεις 2.4 που σημαινει οτι η πιθανοτητα νικης που θα πρεπει να εχεις ειναι 1.6/4=0.4 δλδ 40%. Με fl draw exeis 35% που σημαινει οτι μακροπροθεσμα το αλλιν σ αυτην την περιπτωση θα σου αποφερει (δυσβασταχτες..) απωλειες της ταξης των 0.2 ευρω. Σε περιπτωση που κανεις απλα call θεωρουμε δεδομενο οτι ο αντιπαλος δεν υπαρχει περιπτωση να παει πασο στο turn οποτε βαζεις στο ποτ 0.6 για να κερδισεις 2.4 και αρα η πιθανοτητα να βγει κουπα στο turn θα επρεπε να ειναι 0.6/3 δλδ 20% που οριακα δεν ειναι. Και αν συνυπολογισεις την πιθανοτητα να εχει redraw ο αντιπαλος με μεγαλυτερη κουπα τοτε σιγουρα ουτε το call συμφερει. Καναμε επισης την παραδοχη οτι θα κερδισεις το ποτ αν πεσει κουπα,κατι το οποιο δεν ισχυει παντα αφου υπαρχει η πιθανοτητα να εχει και ο αντιπαλος fl draw. Ωστοσο οπως ειπε και καποιος πιο πριν το προβλημα δεν εχει καποιο ποκερικο ενδιαφερον ^^ -
Katalavainw ti mou les gia ton isildur apla eipa oti mou ekane entypwsi pws i kritiki askeitai panta meta apo ena kako apotelesma. Mi ksexnas oti ta 6m einai kanonika 60bi gia ta blinds pou epaize kai gia ta terastia swings eythynontai kyriws to trelo action kai to gegonos oti paizoun deepstack,to na paiksei 25-50 i 50-100 afou ekane to bankroll tou 6m einai logiko na tou fainetai ligo.Ayto de simainei oti an ta pragmata de pane opws ta perimenei(opws kai egine)oti de tha mporesei na kratisei ena poso(px 500k) gia na paizei 50-100.Ayto ennow otan lew pws mporei na paiksei tetoia stakes opotedipote,alla akoma kai an ta exane ola sto 500-1000 enas paixtis me tetoies ikanotites mporei na kanei grind up kai na ksanaxtisei ena bankroll gia na paiksei 25-50 an ayto kataliksei oti thelei na kanei,en pasei periptwsei proseggizei to paixnidi me perissotero risko/tzogo,alles fores ayto mporei na vgei se kalo alles oxi.Vlepeis oti mexri twra tou vgike se kalo kai twra antikrizei tin alli opsi tou nomismatos.Apla i gnwmi mou einai oti de mporeis na katakrineis tin proseggisi tou ayti legontas oti exase to tade poso,otan i idia akrivws proseggisi tou eksasfalise to poso ayto,to opoio ystera exase. Parepiptontws,an katseis se ena trapezi me 200 eyrw kai sikwtheis me 0 , tha exeis 2200 eyrw xasoura?Proswpika ta prosima/noumera ta metraw prin kai meta to session, alla exeis kapoio dikio de to ethesa kai poly swsta,ekei pou ithena na kataliksw kai pou exei simasia einai oti otan paizeis poker theleis to paixnidi sou na exei oso to dinaton megalytero ev kai sto simeio pou exeis ftasei ta 2200 me kakous bigstack antipalous,apla de feygeis,eisai se simeio pou ependyeis katharo kerdos gia perissotero katharo kerdos,me tis pithanotites yper sou.
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1)Einai thema epilogis.Pigainontas sto apollwnia me 500e paizeis 1-2 kai eisai men ektos bankroll,aptin alli de paizeis kai to noiki sou pou leei o logos opote mporoume na poume pws nai men tha sou kakofanei na xaseis ayto to poso alla efoson pires ayta ta lefta mazi sou sto kazino einai ena pligma pou mporeis na antekseis.An twra ta kaneis 2200 mporeis na sikwtheis opws les alla stin pragmatikotita giati na to kaneis ayto,ontas o kalyteros paixtis tou trapeziou?Me toso megalo stack kai kakous paixtes me eksisou megala stacks(kata ta legomena sou panta)exeis mia kali eykairia na ta kaneis 4k.Yparxei vevaia kai to risko tou na ta xaseis ola alla stin ousia tha exeis zimia 200 eyrw,pou mporeis na antekseis(alliws de tha epaizes in the first place)me antivaro tin poly kali pithanotita gia 4k kerdos.Gia na paikseis den irthes?Opote giati na ta paratiseis sto kalytero spot?Nomizw exeis kalo logo gia na synexiseis.Twra oson afora sto online,einai kai thema poiotitas antipalwn.Pithanotata to apotelesma pou tha exeis sto apollwnia me 3bi tou 1-2 stin tsepi tha einai poly kalytero apo to antistoixo pou tha exeis online stin pokerstars,eidika an paizeis poly taktika opote ta swings tha kanoun syntoma tin emfanisi tous oso kalos kai na eisai 2)An epaize xwris risko kai (isws)ektos bankroll de tha ta eftane (toulaxiston toso grigora) ta 6m,sta opoia anaferesai kai de tha milouse kaneis giayton twra.Den ton eipe kaneis ws twra "vlaka" epeidi eftase na exei 6m (toulaxiston)sto acc tou me ton tropo pou epaize,alla ton lene twra epeidi exase ena meros apo ayta. Nonsense Ennoeitai oti den ypostirizw pws einai kali idea na paizeis ektos bankroll klp apla o typos ekane to egxeirima na ginei feoudarxis tis pokerikis oikonomias kai nomizw eftase arketa konta.Epilogi tou kai de mporeis para na ti sevasteis.Oson afora to 25-50 50-100 pou les,nomizw oti mporei opoiadipote stigmi na to kanei ayto
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Pros foustouki: Ayto pou les to akouw syxna kai de mporw na to katalavw..Efoson les loipon oti einai megalo pokeriko myalo o isildur kai sigoura etc einai , tote tha exeu tin ikanotita na metatrepsei ta 6m se 15m.Opote ton apokaleis xazo epeidi to apotelesma etyxe na einai ayto pou itan? Paizei dld enas typos sti geygeli 2-4 kanei bi 500 eyrw anevainei stis 4k kai meta ta xanei,aytoi pou tha vrethoun na ton poun xazo giati pote de milane an o typos telika sikwthei apto trapezi me 8k?
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Apothikevontai aytomata se subfolder sto pc sou,mesa sto fakelo tou pkr
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Provatos έγραψε: Provatos έγραψε: Poio epipedo?Mallon de katalaves kala den einai cash einai tourney 10+ buy in kai exei kathe logis frouto mesa,opws fanike :S
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Makroprothesma eisai +EV me megalytero apo 55% pososto epityxias. Exw paiksei elaxista tetoia tournoua kai itan panta way too tight to paixnidi sto trapezi(profanws), se aidiastiko tha elega simeio. Den ta protimw gia kanena logo apo alla sng
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ligi voitheia gia statistikh omaha hi/lo....
topic απάντησε PHoENiX4u901's arourel σε Συζήτηση για Hands
egw pali re paidia giati vgazw oti einai 1) 9,16% kai 2) 34,97% ?? Vasika twra pou to ksanaeida Vatal perilamvaneis opws katalava kai ta 8aria kai tous Asous pou einai ektos,giayto btw pesan ola ta posts mazi kai den eida oti me kalipse o magic32magic:laugh: -
Kalo to testaki kai arketa zoriko Dear adadgd, Thank you for taking the DonkeyTest. Your Poker IQ score is: 116 An anelye kai tis apantiseis kala tha tan.. :/
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wraios o melancholy,chipleader tis teleytaies wres tou tournoua kai tous eixe souza good luck sto londino
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GrvlassisAA έγραψε: +1
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Eipa egw oti tou pairneis eykolotera lefta?Apla se paromoia katastasi tha xeis mia pio eykoli apofasi , aneksartitou apotelesmatos.
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Tha protimousa na paiksw ena megalo pot me oriakes apofaseis, me kapoion gia ton opoio exw kai kapoia reads,wste oi oriakes apofaseis na einai oso to dynaton swstoteres.An diapistwseis argotera oti o sygkekrimenos paixtis einai poly solid tha katalaveis oti mporouses na apofygeis to call(an vevaia eixes nwritera to read ayto).An diapistwseis oti einai LAG sigoura tha exeis kialles eykairies enantion tou.Ayto ennow. Telos, eipa kai prin , tough call. Mporei na ekana kai call apenanti ston agnwsto. Den nomizw oti yparxei standar swsti apantisi gia tin erwtisi ayti
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Me ti sou kanei raise sto flop o antipalos? Me mikra pp (px 6-6) Me middle pp (px 9-9) Me flush draw Me set i fh Me total air thewrwntas oti to flop dyskolo na se voithise Me ti apo ta parapanw kanei bet kai sto turn? Me mikra pp - sxedon apokleietai , tha perimene showdown Me middle pp - diskola.to pithanotero tha itan na kanei check gia pot ctrl Me flush draw - arketa pithano,kathws den yparxoun me tetoio board polla xeria ta opoia mporoun na anteksoun se dynata bets,kai stin teliki exei kai ena 20% na nikisei, an callareis. Me 8 i fh - nai Me total air - poly pithano to 2nd barrel , an eixe ontws oreksi gia peripeteies An kai thewrw pws oi periptwseis stis opoies tha pane na sou klepsoune ena tetoio pot me draws i air tha einai poly perissoteres aptis periptwseis stis opoies tha exeis idi nikithei , nomizw pws mporeis na perimeneis kaliteres eykaries sto trapezi.Tough call anyway
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Nomizw oti stis perissoteres periptwseis tha exei fush draw to opoio paizei poly epithetika dioti to paired board dinei megalo folding equity sta bets kai raises pou kanei(an kai to bet sto turn tha itan parakseno). Fysika de mporoume na apokleisoume to endexomeno na exei ena fyllo opws 7-8 i 8-A kai na prospathei na megalwsei to pot pistevontas oti exeis overpair i flush draw. Twra apo kei kai pera metrane kai ta reads sou gia to sygkekrimeno paixti, poso ikano ton thewreis na kanei moves , an einai solid paixtis i an tou aresei na blofarei kai na kanei bully tous allous paixtes ktlp
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TSINT έγραψε: THEA!!!! HAHAHAHAH Tha xasoume to kefali mas sto telos mayta pou vlepoume , na mou to thymitheis :laugh:
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Παρακαλω σχολιαστε...Αλλα με μεγαλη προσοχη!
topic απάντησε PHoENiX4u901's Checkor7 σε Συζήτηση για Hands
Oso kai na mi mas aresoun, ta bad beats einai mes sto paixnidi kai panta tha einai. Diavase to post pou ekana prin dyo meres. Kai fysika yparxoun kai polyyyy xeirotera, opws ena bad beat pou eriksa prin ligo kairo se ena palikari: eixe JJ eixa T-T kai sto flop skaei kai o tritos J. Kai meta ekana kare.Etsi apla xD . De pistevw gia kanena logo oti to online poker einai rigged , aploustata giati ta diafora site den exoun kanena kerdos apta bad beats pou ginontai. Miden kerdos kai taytoxrona risko na ipostei pligma i aksiopistia tous..? Dyskola . Oso gia ta live , an kai den exw paikei panw apo 20-30 fores , exoun dei ki ekei ta matia mou.... Twra , sti partida pou anaferesai , mi fantasteis oti eisai kai tooooso mprosta.. ena 68% exeis olo ki olo. -
ziteitai farmako gia ta bad beats :(
topic απάντησε PHoENiX4u901's PHoENiX4u901 σε Συζήτηση για Hands
gsbets έγραψε: prwton , koutornithi den eixe 25 eixe 18. mathe ligo ta odds kai meta ela na eirwneyteis pali ok? Kai deyteron , sto flop eixe as poume... 4% Ektos an mas peis esy o epistimon oti itan 50-50. -
ziteitai farmako gia ta bad beats :(
topic απάντησε PHoENiX4u901's PHoENiX4u901 σε Συζήτηση για Hands
hardelefsina έγραψε: Me endiaferei na tou deixw oti exw kati opws A-K. Giayto de pontarw full pot sto flop, gia na mi fygei , kai giayto pernaw check sto turn , giati xerw pws tha xtypisei. Zulu.gr eilikrina kai trito karo na vgei katw de me apasxolei poly. Kai na evgaine trito karo sto turn kai na me pigaine resta sto turn, me to sygkekrimeno paixti tha kana call se ena klasma tou deyteroleptou. Einai apo aytous pou perimenoun to kathe scare card gia na xtipisoun to pot.Eides oti ekane call sto flop me TRIXES perimenontas eite to karo gia na blofarei(eleos??) eite ena check mou gia na paristanei meta oti exei kati(opws kai egine). -
Kathomai pou lete se ena trapezi sto poker gr me meso oro pot peripou 40BBs ,afou ekana tin klasiki ereyna .. blinds 0.25-0.5 enas typos exei mazepsei kapou 250$ kai se kathe (se kathe omws) gyro anoigei sta 2$. Meta , sxedon pantote, akolouthei sfagi. Kathomai loipon anapaytika , paizw to standar paixnidi m , exei perasei peripou miamisi wra kai eimai peripou sta 80, perimenontas tin katllili stigmi gia tin afaimaksi.. Kai pianw AA.. o typos klasika sta 2 , apo cuttof, call to button kai raise egw sta 7 apto BB, vevaios oti tha me callarei , afou de parataei kanena ma kanena fyllo. Ontws call o trelos kai fold to button. Flop 7karo-7spathi-9karo Katapliktiko flop gia mena skeftomai.einai poly dyskolo na exei 7 (oxi logo tou range tou ennoeitai alla pithanologika) enw einai sxedon vevaio oti tha blofarei. To pot einai 16 kai pontarw 11.Kanei call. Turn : Qspathi Check egw, elpizontas oti tha epixeirisi blofa. To pot einai 37. Pontarei 25. All in egw , ta 25 tou kai alla 62. Kanei call kai deixnei... 4spathi-2spathi (!!!!!) River..... Kspathi !!!!!! Diladi eleos!Kai ayto itan mono to kerasaki stin tourta kathws oli i mera pigaine kapws etsi.... Eytixws ayta ta kainouria mayra keyboards einai poly anthektika Porisma : AA-KK-QQ fold preflop!!alitheia!!swzei zwes!!
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Vasika mou fainetai adianoito sa gegonos , oti enas typos leei sta moutra olwn oti poulaei cheat yliko gia poker , kai to account tou den exei diagrafei akoma . Kai ta posts tou yparxoun akoma epitrepontas se enan apatewna na vglei lefta apo allous epidoksous apatewnes. Eleos diladi. An thes toso polu na vgaleis lefta pane klepse kamia trapeza , pou tous perisseyoun kiolas
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ntaksei re doc oti o typos de kserei akoma kala tous kanones tou paixnidiou de simainei oti mporeis na tou ti les kiolas.stin teliki giayto yparxei to site, gia na se voithisei na aneveis epipedo,eite ayto simainei na pas apto 1 sto 2 eite apto 7 sto 8
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Nai apla lew oti me mikrotero raise tha eixe ti dinatotita na fygei aptin partida apo nwris , an ypopsiazotane kapoio top pair , enw mayto to terastio preflop raise , pes oti etrwge ena minraise i x2.5 raise..ti tha kane ..? fold? oxi! call , kai kata 2/3 tha kanei miss to flop opote o antipalos kanei pali bet.. kai meta ti?? Ayto pou lew einai ena kapws mikrotero raise , gia na elegxeis o idios tin paramoni kai poreia sou sto tournoua , kai oxi ena flop apo mono tou. An itan cash game tote milousame diaforetika