To value bet or not?

[kasspav]

Winning αντίπαλος με στατιστικά loose. Μικρο δειγμα.

Σωστο ή λάθος το value bet? Αν ναι, τι size θα ήταν το καλύτερο???

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 27.5 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds 10 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t355)

CO (t8707)

Hero (Button) (t4080)

SB (t4900)

BB (t3213)

UTG (t2740)

UTG+1 (t4165)

MP1 (t9934)

Hero's M: 17.74

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, Q

UTG calls t100, 3 folds, CO bets t375, Hero calls t375, 2 folds, UTG calls t275

Flop: (t1355) 7, Q, 3(3 players)

UTG checks, CO bets t785, Hero calls t785, 1 fold

Turn: (t2925) A(2 players)

CO checks, Hero checks

River: (t2925) 4(2 players)

CO checks, Hero bets t1500, CO calls t1500

Total pot: t5925

[bits10]

very hard to get paid by worse apo winning player imo m ayto to size.

poly KK to range tou,o A einai blank i alitheia einai me ta 2 check,thewrw oti weak ace might check the turn alla me to check back sou tha kanei ena mikro blocking-value sto river.

exartatai ap to range pou tou dineis preflop..an thewreis oti anoigei KQ/QJ etc vbet.alla ligotero kat eme gia na ton kaneis na se plirwsei pio eykola kai na xaseis ligotera se pithano KK.1125-1200 arkei nomizw

ps. i alitheia einai oti tha perimena na dw fold sto river.

[TOREADOR]

bits10 έγραψε:

very hard to get paid by worse apo winning player imo m ayto to size.

poly KK to range tou,o A einai blank i alitheia einai me ta 2 check,thewrw oti weak ace might check the turn alla me to check back sou tha kanei ena mikro blocking-value sto river.

exartatai ap to range pou tou dineis preflop..an thewreis oti anoigei KQ/QJ etc vbet.alla ligotero kat eme gia na ton kaneis na se plirwsei pio eykola kai na xaseis ligotera se pithano KK.1125-1200 arkei nomizw

ps. i alitheia einai oti tha perimena na dw fold sto river.

nothing more to say ,no more ace to play

[sotiris4ad]

an kaneis genika thin value bets th borouses na to kaneis gt iparxei k missed flush draw...opote th borouse na se kanei call me medium pocket pair...i xeiroteri Q

[sotiris4ad]

ap tin alli an einai kalos winning player de th eprepe na varesei ton asso st turn afou voithaei to diko t range k zhmiwnei to diko s..?ara mipws exei A weak k paei g pot control...?

[Johnny22]

bits10 έγραψε:

poly KK to range tou

[bits10]

nai,ti den katalavaineis mipws to kanw pio safes.

[Johnny22]

to poly

[bits10]

an peis re file oti to range tou exei KK,KQ,Ax,JJ,QJ i oti allo thes na tou dwseis egw ektimw oti toulaxiston 4-5/10 tha xe KK..oti einai diladi pio pithano ap t alla fylla

[Johny_mac32]

not.imo...

δηλαδη δεν κερδιζεις και τιποτα που σε κολάρει...

κανα QJ μονο...ή και JJ...

αλλα και αυτα ακομη δυσκολα κολάρουν...

[Johnny22]

bits10 έγραψε:

an peis re file oti to range tou exei KK,KQ,Ax,JJ,QJ i oti allo thes na tou dwseis egw ektimw oti toulaxiston 4-5/10 tha xe KK..oti einai diladi pio pithano ap t alla fylla

Den katalavainw pws dineis 40-50% se 3 combos of KK se enan 87bbs CO pou diavazeis se ena random hand history

[bits10]

gia mena einai face up to xeri tou.375 meta apo limper.cbet to flop kai tin kota ston A turn..de pontarei to river opote A den exei pote..ara ti exei??

de sou vazw kan sto skeptiko mou to call sto river gt etsi ginesai ligo results oriented.

ps.de xerw kan ama vazw to QJ sto range tou gt se limped pot dyskola anoigeis m ayto to fyllo.

[sotiris4ad]

katarxin QJ paizei arketa kala postflop apenanti se limper opote einai raising hand...deuteron gt na fovithei ton asso st turn...mono to AQ vgike mprosta ap auton st turn an kratage KK i ta Ax spades..ara den nomizw pws uparxei simantikos logos anushxias g auton..th borouse na exei KK alla den einai oti dineis k auksimeni varutita se auto to hand...

[bits10]

pame pali.QJ den einai ekei fyllo gia raise sto 50/100.

2.yparxoun APEIRA floating hands to 2010 pou kanoun flat to flop me Ax kai perimenun na doun antidrasi sto turn. den einai as simple as Asxs i AQ etc...o kasspav kanontas check back sto turn deixnei oti exei showdown value kai de kanei float gt ama floatare tha pontare 9/10.

epomenws i exei ntama i exei Ax opou x synithws rag.

gia ton villain sto river to range tou einai konta sto 50-50 kai exei na apofasisei metaxy check/ez call(opws exei paei to xeri),bet/fold, i bet/cryyiiiiing call...

OPOTE..protima na parei ti pio suntiritiki plevra kai na kanei se 2o street pot control kai check call.

[Johnny22]

bits10 έγραψε:

de sou vazw kan sto skeptiko mou to call sto river gt etsi ginesai ligo results oriented.

profanws lol

[sotiris4ad]

exeis dikio g to float..den eida oti o hero einai se position...

[geoponos]

check kai egw sto river.de vlepw call me kati ligotero apo KQ.telika ti eixe?

[OMG Internets]

bits10 έγραψε:

pame pali.QJ den einai ekei fyllo gia raise sto 50/100.

2.yparxoun APEIRA floating hands to 2010 pou kanoun flat to flop me Ax kai perimenun na doun antidrasi sto turn. den einai as simple as Asxs i AQ etc...o kasspav kanontas check back sto turn deixnei oti exei showdown value kai de kanei float gt ama floatare tha pontare 9/10. (paizei kai FD pou flatarei k pairnei freecard)

epomenws i exei ntama i exei Ax opou x synithws rag.

Exei kai arketa JJ kai merika TT (to cbet paroti 3way, (me limper mesa) einai kalo gia afton, not so draw heavy board.

gia ton villain sto river to range tou einai konta sto 50-50 kai exei na apofasisei metaxy check/ez call(opws exei paei to xeri),bet/fold, i bet/cryyiiiiing call...

OPOTE..protima na parei ti pio suntiritiki plevra kai na kanei se 2o street pot control kai check call.

ontos stinks KK i smaller pair (TT, JJ) pou paei se showdown (malakia tou).

lol @ raising JQ ekei.

99-TT-JJ-KK else randomas.

Apo ti xeirotero tha pareis call me afto to sizing apo winning reg skeftikes katholou prin pontareis?

WTF? youre a winning reg too? fuckin clickaments.

[crf88]

fold pre enanti ton perrisoteron antipalon...de kanoun isolate toso light oste to kq na einai profitable...kata ta alla oti eipe o bits (ektos apo to kk part pou mporeis na to peis mono meta to call sto river.opos leei kai o internets apo pano mporei na jj tt 99, kai aj akoma)

[kasspav]

Δεν επρεπε να βάλω το call του..λολ...ΚΚ είχε. Ενιωσα ότι δεν είχε Α και χωρίς να σκεφτώ και πολύ πόνταρα. Οπως μου είπε και ο bits10, αυτά τα σημεία ειναι τα πλέον διδακτικά.

TY all για τις απαντήσεις