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PokerStars Game #50272193298: Tournament #314044381, $10+$1 USD 8-Game (Razz Limit) - Level IV (30/60) - 2010/09/28 2:09:43 EET [2010/09/27 19:09:43 ET]

Table '314044381 3' 6-max

Seat 1: panargeiakos (1869 in chips)

Seat 2: MrBrewerNeb (2459 in chips)

Seat 3: Adonis276 (2564 in chips)

Seat 4: waldano (1719 in chips)

Seat 5: coreyboteler (2370 in chips)

Seat 6: JohnyRedWorm (1039 in chips)

JohnyRedWorm: posts the ante 6

panargeiakos: posts the ante 6

MrBrewerNeb: posts the ante 6

Adonis276: posts the ante 6

waldano: posts the ante 6

coreyboteler: posts the ante 6

*** 3rd STREET ***

Dealt to panargeiakos [Ad 2c 9d]

Dealt to MrBrewerNeb [4c]

Dealt to Adonis276 [Jd]

Dealt to waldano [Kd]

Dealt to coreyboteler [Qs]

Dealt to JohnyRedWorm [9s]

waldano: brings in for 9

coreyboteler: folds

JohnyRedWorm: raises 21 to 30

panargeiakos: calls 30

MrBrewerNeb: folds

Adonis276: folds

waldano: folds

*** 4th STREET ***

Dealt to panargeiakos [Ad 2c 9d] [5c]

Dealt to JohnyRedWorm [9s] [3d]

JohnyRedWorm: bets 30

panargeiakos: raises 30 to 60

JohnyRedWorm: raises 30 to 90

panargeiakos: raises 30 to 120

Betting is capped

JohnyRedWorm: calls 30

*** 5th STREET ***

Dealt to panargeiakos [Ad 2c 9d 5c] [Qd]

Dealt to JohnyRedWorm [9s 3d] [9c]

panargeiakos: bets 60

JohnyRedWorm: calls 60

*** 6th STREET ***

Dealt to panargeiakos [Ad 2c 9d 5c Qd] [Kc]

Dealt to JohnyRedWorm [9s 3d 9c] [Qh]

panargeiakos: bets 60

JohnyRedWorm: raises 60 to 120

panargeiakos: raises 60 to 180

JohnyRedWorm: raises 60 to 240

Betting is capped

panargeiakos: calls 60

*** RIVER ***

Dealt to panargeiakos [Ad 2c 9d 5c Qd Kc] [9h]

panargeiakos: bets 60

JohnyRedWorm: calls 60

*** SHOW DOWN ***

panargeiakos: shows [Ad 2c 9d 5c Qd Kc 9h] (Lo: Q,9,5,2,A)

JohnyRedWorm: shows [6c 8d 9s 3d 9c Qh Td] (Lo: T,9,8,6,3)

JohnyRedWorm collected 1065 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 1065 | Rake 0

Seat 1: panargeiakos showed [Ad 2c 9d 5c Qd Kc 9h] and lost with Lo: Q,9,5,2,A

Seat 2: MrBrewerNeb folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

Seat 3: Adonis276 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

Seat 4: waldano folded on the 3rd Street

Seat 5: coreyboteler folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

Seat 6: JohnyRedWorm showed [6c 8d 9s 3d 9c Qh Td] and won (1065) with Lo: T,9,8,6,3

Νομίζω ότι στάθηκα άτυχος στη συγκεκριμένη παρτίδα, αλλά ήθελα να ρωτήσω αν είναι σωστό να είμαστε πολύ επιθετικοί στο razz, δεδομένου του μεγάλου variance.

[LUADARKO]

olo to hand einai well played apo mena.ektos apo to action stin arxi prin to 4th street.dn kserw gia to 7th...

exeis to kalutero fyllo me to a29.recomplete.

k to 7th street pisteuw oti einai ch/c.duskola tha m kanei call razz ston rhga.ektos an to kaneis san thin value bet apo ntama,dunno.

sick???ta fwta sou!

[ΣΕΜΦΕ]

το bet στο river είναι μπλόφα.

edit: αλλά τώρα που το βλέπω, τα μόνα καλύτερα φύλλα που μπορεί να πετάξει είναι J high και Τ high, τα οποία θα ήταν δύσκολο να τα πασάρει. οπότε μάλλον ποντάρω για να μη με μπλοφάρει αυτός, αφού δε θα μου άρεσε να κάνω call με Q

[LUADARKO]

otan exoume faneres stis 5 king k queen,shmainei oti gia na exoume kalutero razz apo tin ntama,prepei na mn mas exei zeugarwsei kamia apo tis alles 2.opote to j high razz exei pithanotites nikis k tis perissoteres fores tha fame call.

allo an eixame kryfes to kq k faneres fusika to a2.ekei mporei na ton kanoume na petaksei to j high gt me mia apo tis 2 krufes mas kanoume razz sto 9

[Alani12680]

Well played?Akomi kai sto razz yparxei kai epidiwkoume se polles periptwseis "pot control"...Epaikses ypervolika epithetika.Spepsou ayto pou sou lew...

[LUADARKO]

pot control enw eisai mprosta?? lol

[Alani12680]

Gi ayto apofevgw na grafw stin pokerland...giati kapoioi koitane mono na eirwneftoun kai na se vgaloun lathos xwris na skeftoun ousiastika ayto pou tous les.. kai dustuxws ayto to kanoun kyriws osoi "nomizoun" oti kseroun na paizoun alla einai akomi polu pisw...kai an synexisoun etsi,ekei tha parameinoun...

Svinw loipon to sxolio mou gia to hand kai afinw tous dithen na apofanthoun..

[LUADARKO]

file m dn se eirwneutika.apla m fanike poly parakseni i antimetwpisi sto hand.

dn ''nomizw'' oti kserw na paizw. exw 2 ft se mixed games.scoop triple draw k stud8 ftops.sun $$$ apo mixed cash games.

ps.dn eimai sicksick alla exw analusei polles partides,exw psaksei poly auta t games k xairomai na suzitaw gia ta games auta k me sena k me olous.tha s parakalousa na mn sviseis to post sou.sizitisi kanoume.

edit:dwse epixeirhmata gia auto p les.an kanw lathos na to vrw.apo ti meria m tha mporousa n eklavw to well played?? p egrapses ws eirwnia.dn to kanw gt thelw n m to analuseis.to n m peis ena pot control k skepsou auto p s lew dn vgazei kati.aneluse tin apopsi sou.

[SickSick]

Diskolo na krinw entelos epeidi se $10 tourn tha pextei oti nane.

Genika to sinexes agression einai swsto otan 3ereis oti ise estw kai 1% mbrosta, kai sigoura den uparxei pot control se limit cash games. Se tournoua mboreis na pe3eis me pot control an den theleis na pe3eis megalo pot gia logous tou pay structure ekeini tin wra.

Genika to call stin 3rd einai swsto, to cap stin 4th einai etsi kai etsi (mborouses episis na kaneis flat san slowplay epeidi einai mikra akomi ta bets, kai na dei3eis to agression meta an kaneis to smooth 9 sou).

5th standard, 6th se high stakes meta pou kanate hdh cap to 4th street, kanonika gia na to kanei to raise simenei exei 2 kryfa fylla kato apo to 4 kai se exei board locked gia na kanei reraise. Fisika edw vlepoume oti ixe 8,6 opotan opws eipa $10 tourns= oti nane.

7th street den uparxei bluff me tosa bets mesa, den uparxei pote paso. Honestly I would check/call para bet epeidi mborei na fas raise kai na se mblofarei apo to hand.

[argentinos6]

sick sick me 3 mikra kato apo 8 prepi panta na kanoume raise kai r raise?

[SickSick]

Nope. To proto raise ne, meta omws to reraise prepei na exoume kalo xeri, diladi oso mikrotera to kalitero, kai na exoume ta mikra fylla pou exoune anoixta oi alloi.

Episis pezei poly rolo ti pextes menoun piso mas..

[AndreasK]

Ωραίος φίλε, καιρό είχαμε να δούμε κ καμιά άλλη παραλλαγή..

Για το χέρι τώρα, όντως στάθηκες άτυχος κ γι' αυτό θα προτιμούσα ch/c στη 7th με αυτή την άσχημη κάρτα. Μπλόφα όπως είπαν δεν υπάρχει.

4th,5th,6th as played

Όμως θα έκανα raise sth 3rd γιατί απλά δεν παίζει να έχει καλύτερα φύλλα από τα δικά σου! Γι' αυτό αν μπορεί ο Γιώργος(απο Κύπρο ) να μας πει γιατί είναι σωστό το call εδώ

[ΣΕΜΦΕ]

εγώ σκέφτηκα το 4 που μιλούσε μετά από μένα, γι'αυτό έκανα call

[AndreasK]

ναι sorry στάθηκα μονο στο δικό σου χέρι κ του αντιπάλου, δεν πρόσεξα οτι μιλάει μετά από εσένα το 4αρι..

[SickSick]

Nai logou tou 4 piso. To allo einai oti otan eimaste mbrosta alla einai poli ligo to % provadisma mas, sixna i a3ia tou na krivoume to xeri mas gia na nomizei o antipalos oti eimaste pio adinatoi meta metafrazete se pio poly kerdos