Hands από 1o study group

[kasspav]

Θα βαλω ορισμενα απο τα πιο συζητημενα χερια απο το πρωτο meeting.

Επισης συζητηθηκαν θεματα γενικης στρατηγικής οπως για παραδειγμα το open limp ή όχι??? (απόψεις και γιαυτο...)

Ειναι από τουρ 55$ early stages. Field 2100.

Hand #1

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 55 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t3285)

UTG (t2090)

UTG+1 (t6055)

MP1 (t3165)

MP2 (t3120)

CO (t2720)

Hero (Button) (t6430)

SB (t2645)

Hero's M: 85.73

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 4

UTG bets t150, 4 folds, Hero calls t150, 2 folds

Flop: (t375) 8, A, 3(2 players)

UTG bets t250, Hero calls t250

Turn: (t875) 7(2 players)

UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (t875) 2(2 players)

UTG checks, Hero checks

Total pot: t875

Hand #2

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 55 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO (t4850)

Button (t6045)

SB (t6005)

BB (t3165)

UTG (t2645)

UTG+1 (t2800)

MP1 (t3575)

Hero (MP2) (t6730)

MP3 (t2695)

Hero's M: 89.73

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, K

2 folds, MP1 calls t50, Hero bets t250, 5 folds, MP1 calls t200

Flop: (t575) 3, 5, 3(2 players)

MP1 checks, Hero bets t350, MP1 calls t350

Turn: (t1275) 4(2 players)

MP1 bets t650, Hero calls t650

River: (t2575) J(2 players)

MP1 bets t2325 (All-In), Hero calls t2325

Total pot: t7225

Hand #3

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 55 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t4850)

MP3 (t6045)

CO (t5980)

Button (t3090)

SB (t2595)

BB (t2875)

UTG (t3000)

Hero (UTG+1) (t10380)

MP1 (t2695)

Hero's M: 138.40

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, J

1 fold, Hero bets t150, 5 folds, SB calls t125, 1 fold

Flop: (t350) J, 9, K(2 players)

SB checks, Hero bets t200, SB calls t200

Turn: (t750) A(2 players)

SB checks, Hero checks

River: (t750) A(2 players)

SB bets t350, Hero calls t350

Total pot: t1450

Hand #4

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 55 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP3 (t4350)

CO (t10020)

Button (t2168)

SB (t1870)

BB (t3445)

UTG (t3000)

UTG+1 (t7932)

Hero (MP1) (t9430)

MP2 (t2295)

Hero's M: 62.87

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6, 6

2 folds, Hero bets t250, 5 folds, BB calls t150

Flop: (t550) 2, 2, 3(2 players)

BB checks, Hero bets t350, BB calls t350

Turn: (t1250) 10(2 players)

BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t1250) 9(2 players)

BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: t1250

Hand #5

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 55 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t5188)

BB (t9645)

UTG (t3068)

UTG+1 (t1945)

MP1 (t2570)

MP2 (t3125)

MP3 (t6369)

Hero (CO) (t9780)

Button (t2820)

Hero's M: 43.47

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q

5 folds, Hero bets t375, Button raises to t2820 (All-In), 2 folds, Hero calls t2445

Flop: (t5865) Q, 8, J(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t5865) K(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t5865) 6(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t5865

Hand #6

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 55 Tournament, 150/300 Blinds 25 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 (t3456)

MP2 (t5083)

MP3 (t6320)

CO (t9606)

Button (t15699)

SB (t11492)

BB (t6024)

Hero (UTG) (t11322)

UTG+1 (t18450)

Hero's M: 16.77

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, J

Hero bets t750, 6 folds, SB calls t600, 1 fold

Flop: (t2025) 10, J, 7(2 players)

SB checks, Hero bets t1200, SB calls t1200

Turn: (t4425) 10(2 players)

SB checks, Hero bets t2100, SB calls t2100

River: (t8625) 4(2 players)

SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: t8625

[aris06]

δεν ειμαι ειδικος στα τουρ αφου παιζω κυριως cash

αλλα θα κανω μια προσπαθεια

hand1 fold pre το a4 ειναι dominated hand vs utg

(βεβαια ειστε αρκετα deep και αν ειναι weak παιχτης μπορεις να κανεις moves postflop)

hand2 μια χαρα λιγο μεγαλυτερο cbet ισως,στο turn αν εκανε check σκεφτομαι τι ειναι καλυτερο shove η small bet???

hand3 παλι lag opening αλλα οκ

στο turn πρεπει να κανεις bet γιατι δινεις free card σε φυλλα που εχουν Q και Τ

στο river μαλλον ειναι chop η χανεις απο kq

οποτε μπορει να εκανα raise στο βετ να διωξω τα k αφου στο range σου εχεις πολλους ασσους ενω αυτος πολυ λιγους

hand4 ισως μπορουσες να παρεις αλλο ενα βετ στο turn αλλα οπως παιχτηκε οκ

hand 5 εκτος αν δεν ειναι maniac ειναι fold

hand 6 δεν μπορω να σκεφτω κατι διαφορετικο που θα εκανα

[HPanigma]

den uparxoun stixia gia tous adipalous ...

1)meta to cheack sto turn aki to river eisai brosta.. kane ena small value bet?

2)psilo stadar play ... at least for me

3)sto turn giati cheackareis ton aso? 2nd barrel imo... half the pot.. kai an callarei tha sou dwsei cheack river kai meta blepeis an thes an to kaneis cheack down or semi-bluf... oti tha dwseis sto river tha to ekanes san bet sto turn..

4)me ti callare me to 3? slow play 2 me tosa cheac? egw tha ekana bet ksana sto turn kai cheack river an callarei...

5)se adistixi periptosi pro-xthes pasara to AQ mou... ekei pisteuw bori efkola na eisai kai brosta den einai kako call... apla einai +varaiance (blepeis aki posa raise exei o allos genika.. an einai polu tight... or not)

6)psilo stadar play... na bet river den exei noima hte eisai polu piso kai exei kanei slow play monser (TJ etc...) hte ekane miss to draw kai den perneis alla.. mono apo QJ perneis value bet... pointless

[crf88]

hand1:easy fold pre eidika me to stack tou raiser einai poli easy fold ..sto river kane v bet to xroma de vgike mporei na se plirosei me ena pair mikrotero kai xaneis apo kalitero asso arketa spania eos pote me to line tou

hand2:well played

hand3:megalitero bet sto flop... bet the turn ..to river as played einai close metaksi call kai fold

hand4:well played

hand5:pre antes enanti arketon tight paikton to aq off einai fold..

hand6:megalitero bet sto turn ...

[tzouv]

crf88

hand5:pre antes enanti arketon tight paikton to aq off einai fold.

pre flop fold to A Q apo CO???? Xoris allous raisers???

[crf88]

tzouv έγραψε:

crf88

hand5:pre antes enanti arketon tight paikton to aq off einai fold.

pre flop fold to A Q apo CO???? Xoris allous raisers???

sto all in ennoo

[kasspav]

crf88 έγραψε:

hand1:easy fold pre eidika me to stack tou raiser einai poli easy fold ..sto river kane v bet to xroma de vgike mporei na se plirosei me ena pair mikrotero kai xaneis apo kalitero asso arketa spania eos pote me to line tou

hand2:well played

hand3:megalitero bet sto flop... bet the turn ..to river as played einai close metaksi call kai fold

hand4:well played

hand5:pre antes enanti arketon tight paikton to aq off einai fold..

hand6:megalitero bet sto turn ...

Χρηστο μπορεις να δικαιολογησεις το 3 και 6?

[melancholy]

Hand 1 fold pre den exei arketa lefta o raiser.

Post flop kai turn kala epekses mallon exeis bet sto river.

Hand 2 well played ligo megalitero bet sto flop isws.

Hand 3 fold pre obv. Egw tha ekana bet kai to turn. As played kalo to call sto river. (epishs pali thelw ligo pio megalo bet se auto to flop)

Hand 4 OPWSDHPOTE bet to turn!

Hand 5 oriako me kapoia reads einai kai paso polles fores.

Hand 6 pali nomizw exeis bet sto river.

Genika tha lega na megaloseis ligo c bet sou eidika se merika drawy boards. Kata ta alla xwris reads den ekanes kanena megalo lathos.

[giorgio]

1. Fold pre. Μικρό stack o raiser. Ένα σχετικά μικρό bet στο river είναι must.

2. Μικρότερο bet pre ειδικά αφού είσαι suited. To river bet call είναι το δύσκολο αφού μάλλον χάνεις από set αλλά δεν χάνεις με πιθανότητα 70%+ που χρειάζεσαι να κάνεις το call. Wp γενικά.

3. Δύσκολο πάλι το river call αλλά το κάνεις αφού έδειξες αδυναμία στον άσσο. Bet turn better.

4.Bet turn. Μην το φοβάσαι.

5.Easy call.

6.WP.

[crf88]

hand 3:stin ousia an xaneis se auto to hand xaneis apo qt.o assos den allazei polla pragmata ektos apo to aj pou pleon xaneis eno iparxoun polla river cards pou tha teleiosoun to action epeidi to board tha exei 4 card straight...einai arketa pithano na exei at aq pou ekane to call sto flop kai sto sigkekrimeno spot kai board einai pio eukolo na pareis value apo xeirotera hands sto turn para sto river pou tha diskolepsei ki allo to board...

hand6:thes na pontareis ligo parapano gia na min ton kaneis priced in me ta draws tou...nomizo opoios pontare ekei miso pot den itan akrivos sigouros an exei to kalitero hand i oxi kai dialekse auto to amount..

vlepo oti diafonoun o ilias kai o giorgos mazi mou sto hand 4 alla diafono arketa...de pairnoume value apo kanena fullo an ksanapontaroume sto turn eno an exei ax pou ekane call to flop exei 6 outs kai de mas peirazei na dosoume free carta...(me to dedomeno oti exoume kanei raise utg+2 pre antes kai einai poli pithano na exei kanei flat call ola ta pairs mexri kai jj)

[melancholy]

crf88 έγραψε:

vlepo oti diafonoun o ilias kai o giorgos mazi mou sto hand 4 alla diafono arketa...de pairnoume value apo kanena fullo an ksanapontaroume sto turn eno an exei ax pou ekane call to flop exei 6 outs kai de mas peirazei na dosoume free carta...(me to dedomeno oti exoume kanei raise utg+2 pre antes kai einai poli pithano na exei kanei flat call ola ta pairs mexri kai jj)

Exeis point. Parola auta pali protimw to bet kata poli alla ok vgazw to thaumastiko kai ta kefalaia apo to proigoumeno post mou.

[bits10]

den exw koitaxei ti exoun pei ta ypoloipa paidia,prwta tha grapsw kai meta tha sygkrinw!

hand1: fold pre,v-bet river close to 675,kane to na fanei busted fdraw and get paid by anything from 88 to kk

hand2: as played ki egw

hand3: so early fold pre.edw bet 225-250 sto flop,575-600 sto turn OPWSDIPOTE c/c river mallon..thewrw oti o 2os assos einai pithano na nai blank.fovamai kati san KQ omws.cryyyyyiiiing call

hand4: nice preflop,bet 400 sto flop,bet turn(perimenw na parw to xeri edw)if he calls check river and decide based on size. alla exartatai kai ap to buy in toy tour.an ton exeis ikano na kanei diladi double float kai river bluff etc.sto turn balance metaxy check kai bet.alla pleon to double barrel xreiazetai pio syxna apo palia.

hand5: exartatai apo to opening range su sto CO kai to shoving range tou sto but..alla sa geniko line based on stacks tha lega pws teinw sto call.

hand6: par oti latrevw EP raises kjs den einai ap ta fylla pou m aresoun gt mplekeis poly.

st xeri twra.bet mikrotero sto flop.bet megalutero sto turn kai ok to river

[SickSick]

Gia to hand 4 den me peirazei to check sto turn, kai to river check einai episis not so bad.

Parola auta simfono oti to kalitero einai bet sto turn, alla daiforetiko eidous bet pou exw perigrapsei kai sto parelthon. To onomazw initiative-retaining bet (dld sintiroume ton elegxo tou xeriou), kanoume vasika ena poli mikro bet (40-50% tou pot), to opio leithourgei 1. gia na min dosoume free card, ite exei 6 outs o antipalos ite 16, 2. gia value apo ligo xeirotera xeria afou einai mikro to bet, 3. gia na apofigoume to anapofeukto value bet out pou tha erthei sto river apo kalitera xeria apo ta dika mas (tin vgazoume pio fthina afou ekeino to bet tha einai pio megalo apo to diko mas 'i-r' bet). Profanos etoimazoume ena check-behind sto river, extos fisika an vroume bingo tote exoume ena pio zoumero pot kai ena overbet einai oti prepei gia na mberdeutei o antipalos me to line mas.

P.S. Den 3erw giati sas ta lew auta, elpizw na min vrethoume sto idio trapezi sixna

[Johnny22]

i like this bet

[kasspav]

SickSick έγραψε:

Gia to hand 4 den me peirazei to check sto turn, kai to river check einai episis not so bad.

Parola auta simfono oti to kalitero einai bet sto turn, alla daiforetiko eidous bet pou exw perigrapsei kai sto parelthon. To onomazw initiative-retaining bet (dld sintiroume ton elegxo tou xeriou), kanoume vasika ena poli mikro bet (40-50% tou pot), to opio leithourgei 1. gia na min dosoume free card, ite exei 6 outs o antipalos ite 16, 2. gia value apo ligo xeirotera xeria afou einai mikro to bet, 3. gia na apofigoume to anapofeukto value bet out pou tha erthei sto river apo kalitera xeria apo ta dika mas (tin vgazoume pio fthina afou ekeino to bet tha einai pio megalo apo to diko mas 'i-r' bet). Profanos etoimazoume ena check-behind sto river, extos fisika an vroume bingo tote exoume ena pio zoumero pot kai ena overbet einai oti prepei gia na mberdeutei o antipalos me to line mas.

P.S. Den 3erw giati sas ta lew auta, elpizw na min vrethoume sto idio trapezi sixna

Σε περιπτωση call αυτου του bet στο river τι κανουμε σε ενδεχομενο bet? Και τι στην περιπτωση που εβγαινε ο Α του παραδειγματος μετα απο το turn bet???

[SamGreek]

Hand #1: Fold preflop

Hand #2: Nice play

Hand #3: Easily dominated when called, παίρνεις πολύ μικρό value όταν χτυπάς κάτι στο flop από το range των φύλλων που θα πάει σε flop μαζί σου. Postflop OK.

Hand #4:Bet turn γύρω στα 900 (για να διώξεις κι όλα τα καλύτερα pockets) re-evaluate river if called again.

Hand #5: Εξαρτάται από το range του. Είναι οριακό, χρειάζεσαι κάποια stats για να απαντήσεις με βεβαιότητα, αλλά ό,τι κι αν αποφασίσεις δεν είναι μεγάλο λάθος.

Hand #6: Fold preflop για τους ίδιους λόγους με το #3. Postflop OK.

[SickSick]

Genika me auti tin grammi para para poly spania tha deis bet out sto river. an ginei prepei na e3etaseis to river kai to bet size, an einai blocker bet kai nomizeis mboreis na to mblofareis tote megalo raise, ktl.

Twra an erthei to river pou irthe 9, check behind. TO river A den eimai sigouros apo pou les oti einai, pantos an erthei river A pali check behind nomizw para blff

[kasspav]

Sry sick sick, eixa sto mialo mou giauto to line to Hand 3...auta pathaineis otan serfareis kai paizeis mazi...lol

Sto 3 me autin tin logiki pou sizitame ti les?

[kasspav]

#1 KQo

#2 QTs

#3 AJ

#4 AQ

#5 99

#6 A6s

[SickSick]

kasspav έγραψε:

Sry sick sick, eixa sto mialo mou giauto to line to Hand 3...auta pathaineis otan serfareis kai paizeis mazi...lol

Sto 3 me autin tin logiki pou sizitame ti les?

Den einai bad ena metrio size bet sto turn oute ekei, alla einai diaforetiko to xeri epeidi an erthei blank mikro sto river tote nomizw uparxei sigoura xwros gia value bet to river, se antithesi me to 66 hand. Opotan den einai i idia katastasi edw..