PLAYING 99s IN LP....

[Lio_Nunez]

ta 99s einai ena medium pair pou se lp me arketa folds mprosta mou eipa na ta paixw me standard paiximo, toulaxiston kat`eme, akolou8ei loipon to parakatw xeri

PokerStars Game #17549133059: Tournament #88688900, $15.00+$1.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/05/19 - 17:54:46 (ET)

Table '88688900 31' 9-max Seat #6 is the button

Seat 1: LEUCK50 (1820 in chips)

Seat 2: TeabagHooper (2385 in chips)

Seat 3: raydavis77 (2849 in chips)

Seat 4: Lio Nunez (2475 in chips)

Seat 5: KingRakker (3075 in chips)

Seat 6: cannot5036 (2375 in chips)

Seat 7: Nkb$ (4240 in chips)

Seat 8: yamato333 (2125 in chips)

Seat 9: JP1967 (1715 in chips)

Nkb$: posts small blind 25

yamato333: posts big blind 50

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Lio Nunez [9c 9d]

JP1967: folds

LEUCK50: folds

TeabagHooper: folds

raydavis77: folds

Lio Nunez: raises 150 to 200

KingRakker: calls 200

cannot5036: folds

Nkb$: calls 175

yamato333: folds

*** FLOP *** [8c 6c 5d]

Nkb$: checks

Lio Nunez: bets 450

KingRakker: raises 2425 to 2875 and is all-in

Nkb$: folds

Lio Nunez: folds

Uncalled bet (2425) returned to KingRakker

KingRakker collected 1550 from pot

KingRakker: doesn't show hand

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 1550 | Rake 0

Board [8c 6c 5d]

Seat 1: LEUCK50 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 2: TeabagHooper folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 3: raydavis77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 4: Lio Nunez folded on the Flop

Seat 5: KingRakker collected (1550)

Seat 6: cannot5036 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 7: Nkb$ (small blind) folded on the Flop

Seat 8: yamato333 (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 9: JP1967 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

1st question: ola kala me to 4bb raise? ipopsin oti to monadiko xeri pou exw paixei mexri ekeini tin stigmi einai ena zeugari 77s apenadi se enan polu loose antipalo...

2nd question: pws vlepete to flop bet? 8elw na diwxw flush chasers:evil: , kai episis na dw kai ti paizei me ta duo calls pou eginan , skeftika loipon oti anti gia to bet 2/3 pot 8a mporousa na paw all in alla ta dyo flat calls pou eginan me ipopsiasan en meri oti isws krivetai ena monster anamesa tous pou kanei slowplay, exontas tin atixia loipon se paromoies katastaseis na mpw allin kai na dw enan i kai tous dio antipalous na kratane over pair eipa na parw plirofories...tis opoies kai pira...

3rd question pws sas fainetai to allin pou kanei o paiktis sta dexia mou? a)overpair b)55s c)66s d)88s itan ta tessera prwta pou mou ir8an sto mialo mou ta opoia tairiazoun kai sto lp call tou kai to paiximo after flop, ntaxei iparxei kai i pi8anotia na krataei AK, AQ, KQ of clubs opote kai ekei swsta to paizei, etsi 8a to epaiza kai gw? alla to 8ema einai ti kaneis otan sou skasei to allin? ntaxei egw to passara sxetika me elafra tin kardia alla generally ti 8a kanate eseis?

[holdemgr]

Kanw call poly grhgora.

Otan kaneis bet edw sto flop den pas meta passo me tipota logw stacks kai flop texture klp klp

[SamGreek]

1) Ok

2) Ok

3) Τα μονα φύλλα που κερδίζεις είναι :Ac :Kc

:Ac :7c , :Kc :7c άρα μάλλον σοφά έπραξες.

[w0undy]

Kaneis poly grhgoro call kai parakalas na soy deijei 2 overcards + flush draw gia na eisai MONO 6% (53-47) pisw ?

Xwris reads gia ton antipalo, to eyros ton kartwn toy einai:

90%: 55,66,88+,Asxs,KsQs,KsJs,QsJs,JsTs

10%: clear bluff (edw bazw kai ola ta xeria typoy AKo)

An den mplofarei dld, sthn kalyterh periptwsh eiste sxedon 50-50 me mirko probadisma toy antipaloy enw sthn poly pithanh periptwsh na exei set 'h overpair eiste 80-20.

To mono poy kerdizeis einai h mplofa nomizw.

H alitheia einai oti ta pot odds dikaiologoyn to call alla apo thn allh, riskareis to toyrnoya soy.

*Diorthwsh: twra poy ta ypologisa einai ~1800/~3000 ta pot odds, opote mallon den to dikaiologoyn to call.. Ara ta pragmata einai akoma pio eykola...*

Muck it.

[w0undy]

SamGreek έγραψε:

1) Ok

2) Ok

3) Τα μονα φύλλα που κερδίζεις είναι :Ac :Kc

:Ac :7c , :Kc :7c άρα μάλλον σοφά έπραξες.

Apo to :Ac xc opoy x>9 einai ligo pisw (53-47), enw apo to :Ac :7c einai ligo akoma pio pisw (55-45), omoiws kai gia ton K anti toy A

[holdemgr]

De symfwnw me to range sou

Ta AA-QQ einai ligotero pithana logw preflop, prepei na prostheseis kai pio weak combo draws:

77, 87s, 89s, A8s - J8s, air klp

Nomizw xreiazomaste 36% equity pou to exoume se tetoio range

To bet-fold einai apaisio kai exploitable. Kalytera check-fold h check-raise

Twra bebaia an exoume poly nitty image (pou DE tha prepe) kai o antipalos einai ki aytos pros ta kei einai OK to fold (alla oxi to bet) Alla xwris reads shmainei oti oute o antipalos eixe reads gia mas.

[w0undy]

Den tha prepei na exw reads oti einai sxetika loose gia na balw J8s sto range toy? Oswn afora to "air", to exw sto 10%.

Egw dinw ayto to range giati nomizw oti to pio asfales gia emas einai otan den exoyme reads na thewroyme oti o antipalos einai fairly tight. Epishs to range poy anaferw, afora profanws to range sto opoio kanei a) call pre-flop se 4xBB kai all-in sto flop.

Nomizw pws o tropos poy blepeis thn partida einai san partida apo cash game. An htan cash game tha hmoyn sxedon symfwnos mazi soy alla edw to call mporei na se thesei ektos toyrnoya.

Twra oswn afora to raise/fold nomizw pws se board gemato draws tha htan lathos to check giati tha edine free card se pithano check toy epomenoy paixth kai nomizw pws to fold dikaiologeitai plhrws apo ta pot odds. Akoma kai me to diko soy range nomizw pws dyskola dikaiologeitai call me pot odds 0.6/1.

[SamGreek]

w0undy έγραψε:

SamGreek έγραψε:

1) Ok

2) Ok

3) Τα μονα φύλλα που κερδίζεις είναι :Ac :Kc

:Ac :7c , :Kc :7c άρα μάλλον σοφά έπραξες.

Apo to :Ac xc opoy x>9 einai ligo pisw (53-47), enw apo to :Ac :7c einai ligo akoma pio pisw (55-45), omoiws kai gia ton K anti toy A[/quote:27d234nd]

Nai file, apolyto dikio exeis, mperdeftika ki eipa lathos. Ennoousa oti mono se aftes tis periptoseis einai dikaiologimeno to call vasei pot odds.

[melancholy]

Swsto to paso.

Well played.

Edit:

molis eida oti to tournoua einai $15 freezeout kai oti eixes 2475 otan arxise to xeri opote prepei na kaneis call 1725 telika kai exeis psilokala pot odds.

Opote mia pou asxolithika eida kai ton antipalo sou sto official poker rankings:

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/po ... D.html?t=2

822 tournoua, mikro average buy in kai exei kataferei na kanei "sustain" -43% ROI...

call kai sou anoigei para poli sixna 8x...

[takisnik]

Tough fold !!

CALL :75-25 %

[SamGreek]

holdemgr έγραψε:

De symfwnw me to range sou

Ta AA-QQ einai ligotero pithana logw preflop, prepei na prostheseis kai pio weak combo draws:

77, 87s, 89s, A8s - J8s, air klp

Nomizw xreiazomaste 36% equity pou to exoume se tetoio range

To bet-fold einai apaisio kai exploitable. Kalytera check-fold h check-raise

Twra bebaia an exoume poly nitty image (pou DE tha prepe) kai o antipalos einai ki aytos pros ta kei einai OK to fold (alla oxi to bet) Alla xwris reads shmainei oti oute o antipalos eixe reads gia mas.

Προσωπικά πιστεύω ότι το range που βάζεις είναι αρκετά loose για το μέσο παίχτη sit&Go τέτοιου buy-in. Οι μπλόφες, semi-bluffs είναι πολύ πιο σπάνιες στα sit&gos σε σύγκριση με τα cash, γιατί ισχύει η βασική αρχή: "Φαλήρισες-τελείωσες". Ειδικά οι μπλόφες όπου ρισκάρει κάποιος σχεδόν όλο του το stack σπανίζουν ιδιαίτερα στα sit&gos, κι ειδικά 10 ατόμων σε τόσο αρχικό στάδιο.

[holdemgr]

w0undy έγραψε:

Nomizw pws o tropos poy blepeis thn partida einai san partida apo cash game. An htan cash game tha hmoyn sxedon symfwnos mazi soy alla edw to call mporei na se thesei ektos toyrnoya.

Eee as teleiwnoume pleon m'ayth thn karamella

Kai stis 2 periptwseis paizeis maximum EV paiksimo (eite ayto einai call eite fold eite otidhpote)

Ti egine dhl an bgeis apo to SNG? Anoikse allo kai synexize na paizeis maximum EV anti na xarizeis chips epeidh fobasai mh bgeis apo to SNG